Yes. And what is the difference between them?
Is the difference that you won't tolerate murder and extortion by the Army but that, as a democrat, you will tolerate murder and extortion under BNP?
Yes the Indian Army may have a lot more reasons to intervene in politics than the Bangladesh Army. But it doesn't need to because...
... because it has far better politicians than Bangladesh has.
And if AL and BNP, Hasina and Khaleda, ran India the way they run Bangladesh then the Indian Army would definitely intervene.
Stop blaming the Army. It was the disaster of post independence AL that led to Army intervention. It was only through Army intervention that the main opposition to AL found a voice - the BNP and the Jatiya Party - and both parties speak for millions of our citizens.
Sure the Army should not be in politics. But there is no logic that says the country can be looted by so called democrats only...
The problem is our rubbish politics and our rubbish politicians.
As if Tariq would have survived in India!!!!!
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Mahathir of BD <wouldbemahathirofbd@...> wrote:
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> What a expection and comparison between political party and a professional organisation like army!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> May Allah help us to differentiate betwqeen them.
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> Also to remeber that army is not the body to intervene in politics and rectify politicians.
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> In inida there are lot more reasons for army to intervene in politics if we accept those as real and logical reason that bangladesh army uses as excuses to take power.
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> But indian army didn't do so and hence they are fur more democratic now. in Pakista and Bangladesh , due to frequent military intervention. our democracy isstill in infancy.
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> We have to make sure that army is not involved in any civilian affairs,particularly national election. If army is involved in national election, then AL will try to make it pro-AL, BNP will try to make it pro-BNP. This will have destructive effect like freezing-thawing on our army
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> --- On Wed, 7/15/09, ezajur <ezajur.rahman@...> wrote:
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> From: ezajur <ezajur.rahman@...>
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Leaders across political divide want trial of 3 Ahmeds
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 2:32 PM
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> Hello
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> These are arguments for a fresh faced ngo worker from the Uk or Scandinavia. I am Bangladeshi. Speak to me as if I know Bangladesh. The caveman didn't become a rocket scientist just because he built a wheel. And Bangladesh doesn't have a democracy just because it manages to hold an election now and then. Get over it.
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> How many parts and parcels are there to democracy? There are many more parts than the favourite parts of AL and BNP activists. The majority of the people of Bangladesh know this. Thats why they gave the CTG a chance and thats why they are not demanding much in terms of trials of the CTG. Have a look at who is demanding trials.
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> I have yet to measure your suit so it would be ruder of me than usual to presume too much about you. Unlike others who I know well enough.
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> The people who are demanding trials of the Ahmeds are largely the same ones who didn't demand the trial of a single MP, Minister or Mastaan of their own party - for 40 years! It is a mountain of gravity defying cow patties pretending to be burgers grilled to perfection.
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> Point by point:
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> Asking for a trial makes one BNP or AL if they would not ask for the same trial if the accused was a member of their own party.
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> It is irrelevant to target an Army Chief for discharging his fellow officer without due process - when you do not target your own party's elected officials for discharging or transferring junior officials without due process.
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> It is irrelevant asking for army officers who corrupt the Army to be punished - when you do not ask for the punishment of politicians who corrupt your own political party.
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> The institution of the Army belongs on balance to the party elected to government as that party completely politicises promotions, retirements and transfers.
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> It is irrelevant for AL and BNP activists to discuss the Army's code of conduct when they don't care about violations of any code of conduct within their own political parties.
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> I did not change the subject. I challenged my brother with his blatant hypocrisy. It is perfectly relevant. Pointing out hypocrisy is not the same as changing the subject.
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> Any crime may be seen exclusively as an AL or BNP issue - depending on whether one is a committed AL or BNP activist. This is the story of Bangladesh.
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> You can ask for the punishment of the Army's crimes - if you would ask for the same if the crimes were committed by members of your own party.
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> Opening another thread is making it too easy for AL and BNP activists. Because they simply avoid the new thread. Do some research and see how many AL activists debate crimes allegedly committed by AL party members or how many BNP activists debate crimes committed by BNP members.
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> Hypocrisy by self proclaimed democrats who play mischievously with the dreams of millions of disenfranchised citizens must be challenged wherever it is found... and certainly not with the courtesy of a new thread. As you know a citizen is neither enfranchised or empowered simply because he can vote.
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> Let me know what other courtesies you imagine exist in Bangladeshi politcial debates.
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> He certainly did attack AL by logical extension in his mail and by actual words in other mails on the same subject - but different threads :)
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> With respect, I believe myself to be more pertinent than yourself because I am not restricted by the confines of a thread in a forum or the exact words of a politcian. I look at who is saying what, why they may be saying it, what they are trying to be and what they really are. Sounds grand - but if you don't have an understanding of this then you don't know our people's political culture.
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> Still think you are defending democracy?
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> In this thread you are standing up for a viewpoint driven only by anger that the Army made deals with AL and not BNP and a viewpoint that threatens generals with retirement if they do not prove their political loyalty to the Nethri.
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> AL is the same.
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> Makes me so sick just thinking about it. The truth of our condition is like a rotten fungal infection. I'm off to get some penicillin. You should too.
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> Whoops! 20 minutes have passed - that should be my limit.
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> Thanks for your two cents. Nice play with monders and mongers. This is a tenner - keep the change.
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> Ezajur Rahman
> Kuwait
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> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "Avijit Dev" <avijit_dev@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Ezja
> >
> > Asking about a trial of three Ahmeds' alleged crime if any is part and parcle of democracy. And asking for a trial, it doesn't make one person BNP or AL when an army chief dischared his fellow army officer from his duty without a due process.
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> > Don't you think, If any corrupted army officer corrupt the moral of Army should be punished?
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> > The institution of Army does not belong to BNP nor does to AL, and whoever violates code of conduct of Army's duty, they should be bought to justice?
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> > Ezaj, issue was about 3 Ahmeds, why do you change the subject and make a BNP issue while Army belongs to Bangladesh.
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> > Anyone can support any party he chooses but when a crime occurs we should stop seeing it as BNP or AL issue. should not we ejaz?
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> > do you consider the army to be a BAL's organization so that one can't ask for their alleged crime?
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> > If you want to question about BNP's progress or regress then i think you can open another thread to discuss whatever you feel and choose to decide but don't you think, by raising a few question about a party when question was about 3 Ahmeds' alleged crime, are trying to change the subject and thereby achieving your propagandistic ends.
> >
> > let me quote as you said "What's goin on? You may think nationalism is defined solely by dedication to attacking AL" end quote.
> >
> > Where did he attack AL? Is Army belong to BAL? so that they are partisan issue and can't be talk about? I mean when did Army become BAL's property? And what has to do with nationalism when an army officer violates his duty?
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> > What is the most powerful force in democracy? i think answer should be the public opionion and Mahtir's opinions about 3 Ahmeds trial is part of democracy and it has nothing to do with nationalism whatsoever.
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> > when will you learn to talk about the pertient issues that are being discussed? Democracy-mongers are those who change the subject and portrait the opponents as if they don't understand democracy while democracy-monders allow crimes to occur unabetted.
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> > my two cents.
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> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, "ezajur" <ezajur.rahman@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Alochok Mahathir
> > >
> > > You have lots of billion dollar questions and trillion dollar questions. How do you a value any question on the progress of BNP? Its so easy to talk about others while BNP is possibly giving its Dhaka unit to Mirza Abbas or even Sadek Hossain Khoka!!!!
> > >
> > > What the hell man?! Why don't you ever write about your own party?!
> > >
> > > What's going on? You may think nationalism is defined solely by dedication to attacking AL. But real nationalism - as you define it - must surely be based upon building a credible democratic party whose members can challenge the party to do better.
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> > > Instead BNP is still relying on Khaleda's symbolism, Delwar's stubborness and the hope that if law and order deteriorates, Tareq will return to save BNP after completing his diploma in garage mechanics.
> > >
> > > This is Bangladeshi nationalism? This is democracy? This is the intellectual response to the challenges our nation faces.
> > >
> > > Load of rubbish!
> > >
> > > All you can do is keep your mouth shut and wait for your nethri to throw a bone to all her dogs. You think I hate BNP - I don't. I just hate the way it is destroying itself and destroying democracy.
> > >
> > > If you loved BNP truly you would agree with me. But instead you must continue jeedhi politics deshi style....
> > >
> > > I should start a website called 'BNP: A Stupid Political Party'.
> > >
> > > It would break your heart... Trouble is I still have my pride as a Bangladeshi but, at this rate, a day is fast coming when I will start an all out war on the lies and stupidity of both our political parties. You think its hard - but its so easy.
> > >
> > > I would call my websute: BANGLADESH: A SOVEREIGN KINDERGARTEN.
> > >
> > > Do you think material would be in short supply?
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> > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > Kuwait
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> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Mahathir of BD <wouldbemahathirofb d@> wrote:
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> > > > How many leaders want the trial of three Ahmeds, that's not a big deal. Whether hasina wants or not that's the billion dollar question.Will hasina betray with Moeen U ahmed who brought her in power exploiting army(see ershad's comment), ACC etc as per deed between Moeen and Joy in USA after which Joy stpped talking against army controlled CTG.?.
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> > > > Bdeshi Mahathir
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> > > > Is there any army in the world that can win over 150 Millions people? Should we be afraid of any country?
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