[vinnomot] Tricks Mollaas play

1. When you argue with them and do not agree with them, you are an Enemy of Islam, Enemy of Moslims, 'Monaafiq', Kaafir and they would call you name. (This Enayet called me, 'Trukman' instead of 'Turkman', though Allah has said not to do this in Qoraan. Does he want me to quote that verse also?).

 

2. When you quote some Hadith to prove yourself right, they reject it as false.

 

3. When you quote Qoraan to prove yourself right, they change meanings of the some words of Allah in order to suit their views and reject yours though for 1400 years none of their great scholars had ever used those meanings that they are telling you that word means.

 

"Since they can't change themselves;

Now they keep chaging Qoraan".

 

Allaho Akbar ...!

Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Trukman,
Looks like you are reading too much Quran these days
when its convenient to peruse your evil intent.

Anyway, here are the same translation of the verses
you quoted:

"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has
made some of them to excel others and because they
spend out of their property; the good women are
therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has
guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear
desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the
sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you,
do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High,
Great." - The Holy Quran: 004:034 [SHAKIR]

The Arabic word used in Noble Verse 4:34 above is
"idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba" which
means "beat". The thing with all of the Arabic words
that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they
don't necessarily mean "hit". The word "idribuhunna"
for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them.
It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or
"drop it" in English.

I could not find any evidence from the life of Prophet
to support your ill-conceived portrayal of Quranic
verses.

So, please desist your mockery and quibble, rather
have a decent quest for knowledge!

Peace,

--- S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Sorry to dis-appoint you Shamim but Mirza is
> correct.
>
> Allah orders Wife-beatings
> Quran 4:34
> Men are the protectors and maintainers of women,
> because Allah has given the one more (strength) than
> the other, and because they support them from their
> means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly
> obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what
> Allah would have them guard. As to those women on
> whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct,
> admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their
> beds, (And last) BEAT THEM; but if they return to
> obedience, seek not against them Means (of
> annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you
> all).
>
> And this is why I think, we need a reform in Islam
> since words of God in Qoraan have started laughable
> by the civilized world. We have to realize in Qoraan
> Allah is talking with 7th Century world of Savages,
> not us, the 21st Century people.
>
> * According to a Hadith, "All orders (of God and
> the Prophet) would be followed until they are
> needed". (Sahih Bukhair)
> * According to another Hadith, "Islam is for up
> to 14th Century (Hijri)". (Sahih Bokhari). 14th
> century started in early 1880's and ended in 1982, I
> think but Mollaas have already dumped both of these
> because that meant they were legally out of
> business.
>
>
> "Shamim ." <lionhrt79@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Syed Mirza,
> Thank you for sharing this information. However, I
> would like to see where in Quran Allah said "women
> don't mind that they can be beaten by muslim man." I
> do watch "Apnar Jiggasha" hosted by Mawlana Abul
> Kalam Azad every now and then and from that my
> understanding is that women and men are pretty much
> equal. The way women are supposed to keep men happy,
> it is also men's duty to keep women happy. As a
> matter of fact, men have more responsibilities to
> women. I don't believe anywhere in Quran Allah said
> men can beat up women unless you can prove me wrong.
> Please provide me the verse number from the Quran
> where I can refer to and see if your statement is
> true. Thank you.
>
> Shamim Hossain
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> From: mirza.syed@gmail.com
>
> Don't you know that women are less
> intelligent and they are half of a man? Therefore,
> women are happy with hijab and Burka, you called it
> portable prison! Women don't mind that they can
> beaten by muslim man, because Allah said that in
> Koran. So what's your problem?
>
> Syed Mirza
>
>
>
> On 1/15/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> Email Picture
> EPA
>
>
>
> COLUMN ONE
> Pursuing happiness behind the veil
> EPA
> OTHER HALF: Saudi women hang out at a mall in
> Riyadh. Under the strict Saudi interpretation of
> Islam, women must be fully covered in public and are
> not allowed to drive or vote. Wives need their
> husbands' permission to leave the country.
>
>
> To be the American wife of a Saudi is to forsake
> familiar freedoms — or enjoy them secretly — in
> exchange for a secure, family-centered life.
> By Jeffrey Fleishman, Los Angeles Times Staff
> Writer
> January 14, 2008
> RIYADH, Saudi Arabia -- Teresa Malof knew she
> wasn't in Kentucky anymore when a cleric issued a
> fatwa against her secret Santa gift exchange.
>
> Malof proposed the idea at the King Fahad National
> Guard Hospital, where she has worked for more than a
> decade. It was supposed to be discreet, but rumors
> were whispered amid veils and hijabs that the lithe,
> blond nurse, raised on farmland at the edge of
> Appalachia, was planning to celebrate a Christian
> tradition in an Islamic kingdom that forbids the
> practicing of other religions.
>
> "Even though I'm a Muslim too, I like to celebrate
> the holidays and have gift exchanges," said Malof, a
> convert to Islam who is married to the son of a
> former Saudi ambassador. "But word got out and the
> religious people came with a fatwa [or edict]
> against the Santa party. My husband was having a
> heart attack. He was worried I'd be in a lot of
> trouble."
>
> For American women married to Saudi men, such is
> life in this exotic, repressive and often beguiling
> society where tribal customs and religious fervor
> rub against oil wealth and the tinted-glass
> skyscrapers that rise Oz-like in the blurry desert
> heat. This is not a land of the 1st Amendment and
> voting rights; it is a kingdom run by the strict
> interpretation of Wahhabi Islam, where abayas hang
> in foyers, servants linger like ghosts, minarets
> glow in green neon and, as a recent court case
> showed, a woman who is raped can also be sentenced
> to 200 lashes for un-Islamic behavior.
>
> " Haram, haram" (forbidden, forbidden). American
> wives know the phrase well. It is learned over years
> of peeking through veils at supermarkets or sitting
> in the back of SUVs while Filipinos behind the wheel
> glide through traffic. Their adopted Arab home is a
> traditionally close U.S. ally. But like much of the
> Islamic world, Saudi Arabia's relations with
> Washington have been strained since the rise of
> global jihad. Terrorist bombings, which have killed
> nearly 150 people here in recent years, have kept
> many American families in gated communities that
> have the aura of golf courses protected by small
> armies.
>
> Most non-Muslim women convert to Islam as a
> prerequisite for marrying a Saudi and living in the
> kingdom. Many American women, including those who
> converted before they arrived, have embraced the
> Koran; for others, the adoption of Islam is a
> pantomime act, the disguise of a second self to hold
> them over until they peel off their head scarves and
> travel to the U.S. for summer vacations.
>
> For both kinds of women, it is a life of sacrifices
> and measured victories: Women can't drive or vote in
> Saudi Arabia, but their children are largely safe
> from street crime and drugs; a wife can't leave the
> country without her husband's written permission,
> but tribal and religious codes instill a strong
> sense of family.
>
> Freedom lies behind courtyard walls, where private
> swimming pools glimmer and the eyes of the religious
> police, known as the mutaween, do not venture. Rock
> 'n' roll (haram) is played, smuggled whiskey (
> haram) is sipped, and Christianity (haram) sometimes
> is practiced. This sequestered, contradictory
> experience, a number of American wives noted, can
> turn an expat into an alcoholic or a born-again
> Christian, and sometimes both.
>
> "American women get together and we talk," said Lori
> Baker, a mother of two who met her Saudi husband at
> Ohio State University in 1982. "We ask one another,
> 'Where are you on your curve now? Have you hit
> bottom yet?' We all go through the highs and lows
> when it comes to moods and tolerance. . . . When I
> first got here, I felt naked without my head scarf.
>
> "Then after the terrorist bombings in 2003, I even
> covered my face. Foreigners were a target then. I
> became very comfortable with my face covered. I felt
> safe. Nobody knows me. They can't see me, and if
> you're covered, they respect you. Sometimes without
> a covered face it's like walking down Main Street
> wearing a bikini."
>
> Baker's husband holds three master's degrees,
> including one in architecture. Like many Saudi men
> of his generation, he left the kingdom to learn
> English and study in America. Baker converted to
> Islam in Ohio and moved with her husband to Saudi
> Arabia in 1992; both of her sons were born here.
>
> As the wife of a Saudi living off a busy Riyadh
> street, she said she's not completely embraced by
> Americans living in gated communities, but she also
> feels estranged within Saudi society.
>
>
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