Thanks for addressing me like this. Moslims normally get so mad if someone opposes their views that they start throwing obscenities at them instead. My comments are inserted below wipe-out your crazy Racist and Religious theories, sir.
mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Turkman:
Thank you for a categorical response. I do support some of your views but for the rest - note the following:
1. Go back to Bangladesh? Why? After the west has sucked our blood for over tow hundred years and now telling us we were ruled for less than one hundred? looted our Kohinoor and crowned the Queen? Go back? This going back notion has crumbled the US economy to dire straits and put the history's worst and most unpopular man as President (even now voted vy Americans as the most unpopular) and he keeps on referring to stupid remarks like being a broker in Palestinian causes and taking the sides of the Zews openly and saying - they are the people of the book. What a fanatic. History will throw him to the bin when he refers to history as 'who cares about history - we will all be dead'. An idiot man who ravished lands for a handfull of fanatics who cannot be controlled with all the money and CIA power and you have to bomb millions of Afghnis.TURKMAN: Your Knowledge is superficial. Proof? "Only 1400 of our men have been dead ...", statement of Ambassador of Talibani Afghanistan to Pakistan published in all Pak Newspapers a month after fall of his government and you claim, USA bombed millions of Afghans. ... Though I was not against bombing of crazy Taliban, I was against invasion of Iraq. Please tell me, how can God start fall of nations like USA, if He does not make its people elect someone like Bush Jr. to run their country in 21st Century West?----------------------------------
2. I wonder how US people were fooled again in voting this man for his utterly fear factor game of politics. 'Vote me I will save you'. I wonder why most of the Americans hate him now. Have you woke up or are you still in love with this man?TURKMAN: I had hated him before he got elected as an American Citizen.-----------------------------------
3. It is true that we have serious social stigmas and I abhor the idea that the faiere the prettier. Look we have a white Jesus from the middle east with blue eyes. The answer I had from a Baptist Chrich in UK - Jesus cannot be ugly. Hypocrats. I challenged the 'fair and lovely product' in Bangladesh and its publicity and many medias now have banned the product's advertisement which uses to decrade the less white skin.TURKMAN: Look. It would make this post very long if I published my research to prove that not only Jesus but also Prophet Ibrahim was a White man. Stop being a Racist ...! In Mexico, they portray Jesus as a brown man but its because of the hate against Whites, not because of their research. Modern Scientific DNA Gnome research also proves that Jews are not brown people and Jesus was a Jew by birth and had nothing to do with Africa or India to be Black or Brown.-----------------------------------
My following article shows the views:
http://www.thedailystar.net/ law/2007/ 11/02/opinion. htm
But do you know the reason? We are so much in love with the West that we have lost our self-esteem. The ruler was white - the whiter - the better. Britush standard specification - the correct - the Western democrarcy - even if many people take to the streets against the war in London - democracy delivers the right voice - well the leaders Tony Blair said - a leaders at times have to sacrifice popularity for something good? Huh? Isn't popularity the basis of democracy?
And my guess was right - you do have a personality problem - you are in a limbo - you do have Western people in the family - no wonder how true I was. But I think you have been blinded. You want to remain close to them more - you want to become unquestionably part of the West by westernising your thoughts. How else I could pry that information out. Your ideas have been blinded with foolishness and apathy.TURKMAN: Are we at some kind of Racial War with the West, sir? You are proving again that you are a Racist.-----------------------------------------
4. Why US allows migrants? Alas you do not know the history of constitution. You do not know how Mohicans and all other races were systematically wiped out in thousands from Americans. I request the readers to read history of any country especially of any South Anmerican countries in Wikipedia - how they were brutalised. The land belongs to all the God's people - not only to Europeans. They just cannot go there a few hundred years ago and seal our entry by saying ' Go back' - Immigration law applies. What a stupid idea. Only until a few years ago - the american newspapers used to allow only one page out of 1000 pages of their daily newspapers - for international news. What a boxed up arrogant world. But good thing is they are reading more international news now - in fact more than any other nation. Are you?TURKMAN: Of course European Colonists were Racists in 15th Century and much later just like we still are but why are you claiming they still are, when they are no more and since 1952 USA has been permitting citizenship to people of all Races? Have we reached 1600's, when Christians had started granting immigration of Non Whites and Non Christians in their lands yet? If so, please tell me the name of such a Moslim Country ...! Which Moslim Country is open for any Bangladeshi to Immigrate for good to? In all advanced Christian Countries, Moslim Immigrants make at least Minimum Wage and the one's who still can't afford are helped by charity of the state in the shape of Cash Welfare monthly payments, Food Stamps, Subsidized Housing, free Medical, free lunch for their school-going children, no School Fees etc. Please tell me, why Bangladeshi Immigrants to Pakistan live under Tin Roofs in Karachi next to 'Un-touchable' Schedule Caste 'Bhangi' or Shit Picking people, working as House Maids and Cleaning Men and when I was on an assignment in Karachi, why my Teenage Bangladeshi Maid was surprised to learn that some Bangladeshis can really be rich enough to afford her? She was also surprised to learn that some Bangladeshis could be White. She was so poor that looking at Dry Kidney Beans and Black Eye Peas, she asked me, what were they? Tears were in my eyes after hearing her question.---------------------------------
5. If you are so much in love with the west - and hate our ethos and morals so much - why bother coming to Alochona online? Sorry I had to be harsh - bt your unfounded brandishing of people like me with a mere excuse of Osama or Mulla does not stand logic. You have simply lost the plot with your shouts.
Mufassil M M Islam
Human Rights AdvocateTURKMAN: Its a habit of Racists and Mollaas to be harsh because they are only following some of their 7th Century obsolete verses in Qoraan. Since they are brain-washed, its hard for them to find humility and Human Instincts. They take a refuge pretending to be Human Rights Advocates just to oppose right-mindedness in the West using all their hate against the West with punity in this disguise hiding their Racism and Mollaaism that they have been raised in. Allaho Akbar ...!
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net
My comments are inserted below.
mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail.com> wrote:Dear Mr. Aziz, Mr. Turkman and Other Readers:
It is easy to get carried away into the vortex of conflicting issues if we do not take on board, patience and constructive critocims of opposing view holders on board.
I agree that the nourishment of freedom of speech in EU (sorry but I do have further reservations about the US) is held high but these rights are often manipulated and misguided in the name of atrocious laws as rightly said by Karl Marx once that law is the toll of oppression by the ruler. Al must agree that during and soon after second world war - may fundamental human rights were currauled even for the UK citizens in UK for the sake of national security and I believe these sorts of checks should be allowed when national security is doomed but the question is for how long and for how much?TURKMAN: Until the problem exists.--------------------- --------- ---- The recent atrocities and threats of atrocities in the West has very reasonable justifications of putting a check on people at random or even basing on their religious and national entities whilst visiting the West - esxpecially the US. I was more than once checked by the authorities and I have had no reason to worry as the authorities did explain that it was a random checking even though it did appear to me that the system did target me. It is also true that the criminals do not necessarily have to wear a beard to pose a threat and even may be of European origin.TURKMAN: I think, profiling is a better way and they should only check the teens to the ones up to 38 years old because all the Terrorists are covered in that age group. Women and Children should be spared because not many children and women have blown themselves up. The problem is, I have seen a 90 years old White American Lady being picked for special screening and a famous Jewish Movie Actor here in USA.--------------------- --------- --
But it is not true as well that we are not curtailed of our freedom of expressions in the West. It is not at all right to presume that our thoughts can be told at full. Here are some examples:
The issue of Palestinians blowing themselves up - although I do not support the act at all but it is also true that these acts do emanate from decades of utter frustration and from series of torture by the Israeli regime which is being backed blindly by the US government. Mrs. Blair was subjected to severe criticisms and even calls were made by the media to boycot her when she had expressed that she did feel the utter frustration of the Palestinians.TURKMAN: Palestinian cause is a victim of 9/11.--------------------- --------- --
There are criminals and crazy people in Iraq who are against peace but its is also true that there are people in that country who want to see the Americans go and if they declare war and pick up arms in defence of the liberty of their motherland - West will never allow them to be called 'freedom fighters' as under the 'glorification' clause of the Terrorims Act 2006 in UK or under the Homeland Security Act of the US. An example of this is the comments against George Galloway MP (UK) when he had done so. What about many MPs in UK who had lost their party nominations after they had mentioned that the UK parliament was a poodle of the zionist regime? Or what about the Historian who had questioned the depth of the authenticity of the German atrocities on the zews? Or what about the several examples of money lending scandals from the zewish peers in UK and what about Mr. Lor Levi being posted as a Minister even though he was part of the money lending scandal in the British Government?TURKMAN: Democracy is, what majority of people think, not what you think. Osama and Mollaas should have thought about it before starting it.--------------------- --------- ---
I don't know why Mr. Turkman talks as always baselessly and without examples. I challenge that the Western view is not democratic.TURKMAN: Whichever system creates a better society and keeps people satisfied giving them all their rights is Democratic. Does any of our systems do that? If you do not like Western views, go back to Bangladesh and fight with your Mollaas ...!--------------------- ------ We do go their for practical means of survitude and benefits of this world but that does not mean we the people of the East are blindly unethical. What do you call the US policy or the Amnesty International's report about US being the worst violators of Human Rights in the world? TURKMAN: Not really 'the worst'. USA is the only country of the world where Illegal Aliens have a right to come on the streets to protest and vandalize demanding they should be granted citizenship. Tell me, which country of the world permits this kind of attitude?--------------------- -------- If you do not know the statistics - please ask me brother but Mr. Turkman's utter use of bad and vulgar language proves the point that either he has a close relative in the family who is White Christian American and that has pushed him to be utterly biased or he has lost the plot simply because he is uninformed. We do not have any grudges about white, yellow or blue or even against people of other faiths but we must not be carried away blindly.TURKMAN: Yeah, this is why, when I was a Teenager, my country's people used to make fun of me because of my too fair complexion and good looks that my mother must have had slept with an Iranian to have a boy like me. Of course, I had Anglo-Indian Christian Friends before I arrived in USA and all my wife's relatives and a lot of my friends are White American Christians and they are a lot better people than my Daishi Moslim, Hindu and Sikh friends.--------------------- --------- --
As for Islam I have only a few excerpts from the Quran and that should suffice for Muslims travelling to other country:
Sura Al Araf:
On Entry into new city:
161. And (remember) when it was said to them: "Dwell in this town (Jerusalem) and eat therefrom wherever you wish, and say, '(O All�h) forgive our sins'; and enter the gate prostrate (bowing with humility). We shall forgive you your wrong-doings. We shall increase (the reward) for the good-doers."
And we must respect their laws but not at the cost of our souls and you want us out of there?TURKMAN: That Verse was for the city, where 1st Qiblaa of Moslims was located, not for any Western City. Allah doesn't consider those Moslims, who live amongst Non Moslims. Read Verse 8 : 72 ...! I'm violating that verse myself because I think, its now obsolete. I haven't sold my soul. Your Soul is possessed by Demon of Tribalism and backwardness and this is why becoming civilized means selling your soul to you.--------------------- --------- ---- Surprised - how you became a poodle as you decided not to enter into the world of intellectual battle. Allah made us poor financially but spiritually rich so that we can all work for the spread of Islam - the only peaceful life. Read Sura Al Araf it also teaches us to be patient as people will surely hurl abuses.TURKMAN: Spread the word for what? To make USA become another corrupt country like Bangladesh or Pakistan? And I can see, how patient you are by hurling abuses at me, calling me a Poodle.--------------------- --------- ---
I don't know under law of which country the Government can cease passports for ever as suggested by Mr. Turkman but is a good advise to lecture the prospective migrant to advise them about foreign culture as adopted by Phillipines (Post Departure Seminar) - Mr. Turkman you forgot to give an example and I am giving it for all.
Read my latest article
http://www.thedailystar.net/ law/2008/ 05/05/index. htm
Sincerely,
Mufassil M M Islam
Human Rights AdvocateTURKMAN: You are again showing lack of your General Knowledge. Passport has been Government Property of the country that issues it since the first Passport was issued in this world. It can be confiscated, whenever any issuing Government wants to. Go Read the Booklet smart Alec ...! Passport is not a right. Its a privilege. Stop acting like a Know-all, when you are a Knows-nothing ...!Best of all, learn to spell words instead of giving readers such a hard time trying to understand, what the hell you have written ...! You have more than a dozen spelling mistakes in your above post. Please do not converse with me Mollaa, I have no time for illiterate ignorant nuts like you.
From: turkman@sbcglobal. net
I have no idea, why these people can find a Conspiracy Theory behind everything that goes wrong with our saintly people anywhere.
Nilkanto Chowdhury <nilkanto@myway.com> wrote:
There are people who are working against Bangladeshi in Middle East so that they can ruin Bangladeshi job market there and get benifite from that. Our government and people should speak up about that. Please be aware of that kind of people and media. Well, people from all nations are doing nusty things. We don't blame the full nation for that, do we? Why then Bangladeshi?