WRT:
Mr. Ayubi
Are you making up stories? Show me where did I used that word in this or any
other forum [with message number etc.]
I have always maintained that Jamaatis under the leadership of Go Azam
and it's Islami Chatra Sangha and Al-bodar wings under the
leadeship of Matiur Rahman Nizami were collaborators of foreign occupation
army , traitors and killers in 1971.
The trial of war criminals and the punishment of traitors, local collaborators and
gestapo killers are two different issue [may be related but not identical.]
After 25th March announcement of Independence by Gereral Zia-ur-Rahman and
later formal establishment of People's Republic of Bangladesh at Mujib Nagar
in April, the Government of People's Republic of Bangladesh became a legitimate
government of the land: The nation was born....
Bangladesh became a country under occupation by Izlamic Rufublic of Fakistan.
Undoubtly, the Jamaate Islami cooperated with the foreign occupation regime
and thus became the traitor to our national liberation struggle and collaborators of
the foreign occupation army - the Pakistan Army.
In order to understand why "these killrs not been tried in the lqast forty years"
you have to understand the zikzak path of our history and behind the scene string
pooling by foreign governments [Saudi & Pakistan etc].
"Forty years" is not a very long lime in the context of the History of a Nation..
And there are no statue of limitations for killing of the innocents civillians and
participations in the genocidal acts [as perputrated by Al-bodor and the members
of Islami Chattro Sangha].
We the Musulmans still express our hatered and curse towards Yazid and Simar,
and mourne over the grief for the massacre at Karbala that happened 1428 years ago.
There has been hundreds of Karbala and hundreds of Mai Lai all over Bangladesh
in 1971....
As recently as in 2007 a Nazi Prison Guard (85 year old Paul Henss) has been charged
for crimes committed more than 60 years ago. Paul Henss, comitted crimes that occured
at the German concentration camps between 1942 and 1944. Henss oversaw slave
laborers & attack dogs which were used to tear prisoners to pieces......
Do you think Al-bodor & Islami Chatro Sangha caders were any better than Yazid's thugs
or the Nazi gestapo killers? Did you approve Al-bodor's actions in 1971.
You have been asserting repeatedly that you are no Jamaati sympatheser.
What you have got to lose if the killers who live within the territory of Bangladesh
are punished through a fair trial. What are you afraid of?
The rightwing Pakistani Jammat propagandist Javed Iqbal Kaleem once
wrote:
"Anybody or group that raises arms against a Muslim government,
loses his identity of a Muslim and becomes a renegade. He deserves
death penalty for his rebellion... ....If the Jamaat helped and supported
the army. it did it for the cause of Muslim Ummah. When Awami League
tried to break a Muslim country by seeking aid of the worst anti-Muslim
enemy, Jamaat tried to save Pakistan." - Jamaati Javed Iqbal Kaleem in
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/khabor/ message/12714
Mr. Ayubi, you are essentially repeating his ideas by saying
"If you do not side with the rebels you do not become a traitor."
But you should know that, if someone side with the occupation army during
a liberation struggle, he is a collaborator and more than anything else
he is a bonafide TRAITOR.
Your "skepticism and opposition" to BAL is understandable, but do you really
have to justify the traitor Jamaat and it's anti-people role in 1971?
Your position is simply helping the criminal Al-Bodors to evade justice.
The Bangladeshis who faught with the Pakistani occupation regime
were not rebels as you say, they were FREEDOM FIGHTERS. You have an
attitude problem. You are (1) Underming our liberation war
(2) Trying to defend the Jamaati Al-bodors
and Islami Chatra Sangha killers through
your subtle aspersions.
You have your rights of Free Speech .... you can always demand
Free and Fair Trial of someone charged for being Albodor or
Islami Chattro Sangha actvist in the killing fields of 1971 and aiding and
abetting Genocide in Bangladesh.
FYI , again after 25th 1971 Bangladesh was not legally a part of Pakistan .
Tikka Khan -Yahia Khan gang didn't didn't agree, and you are odaciously
regurgitating the position laken by Yahia Khan in 1971.
Our future generations must know what happened in History: Who were the
collaborators and traitors during our liberation war in 1971. They must know
the role played by Jamaate Islami and its Al-bodor & Islami Chattro Sangha
wings as collaborators of occupation army, as traitors and killers of 1971.
Thanks for raising the issue ....
Syed Aslam
PS: Denial is not a river in Egypt:
In message
Mr. Kaleem,
Many thanks for your compliments.
I am no Jamat sypathiser but the hypocracy of Awami League troubles me. and that forces me werite against the hypocrites.
Best regards
Salahuddin Ayubi
Mr. Aslam,
You have now changed your language. You have now come to traitor and killers from war criminals. I dispute that they are traitors because when they sided with Pakistan the present day bangladesh was legally part of Pakistan and they were loyal to the lawful authority of the country. If you do not side with the rebels you do not become a traitor. Now the killer part of it. The incidents took pplace forty years ago, Are there enough evidence to convict any of the so called killers. Can you please tell me why have these killrs not been tried in the lqast forty years. Have you just woken up from your long slumber and just came to know about these killers.?
I am curious. Want to b enlightened by you.
Subject: [reform-bd] Killers and traitors of 1971 must never go unpunished !
To:
reform-bd@yahoogrou ps.com, "khabor" <
khabor@yahoogroups. com>,
chottala@yahoogroup s.com, "Amra Bangladesi" <
amra-bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com>,
notun_bangladesh@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:45 AM
Jamaat reformed its constitution?
Ms.Nushaiba Abubakar
In your defense for Jamaat, you said:
"What about the voilance and hostility by other party?"
How can one crime justify other crime ?
It is an open secret that Jamaat's 1971 crimes were organized crimes in the name of Islam and saving Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
Lest we forget, Jamaat's Al-Badar and it killing missions were "political phenomena" that may repeat under different lebash, unless the ordinary masses of Banladesh is constantly on the guard.
Thus, it is an utmost necessity to increase public awareness on Jamaat's crimes of 1971.
Let everyone know what has hppened in 1971; Jamaat's anti-people role must always be exposed.
Everyone must know that Jamaat's student wing Islami Chattro Sangha's
hand was tainted with so much of Bangladeshi blood that when it
resurfaced in late 70s, it had a new name Islami Chattro Sibir...
Again, Ms.Nushaiba Abubakar, you must always
differentiate between the Gestapo killers 1971 like
the Jamaat's Al-bodors wing and ordinary supporters
of Pakistan's integrity. The traitors and the killers should
never go unpunished.
Syed Aslam
Please read the following Bangla article in this connection:
জামায়াতের আল-বাদরী সমাচার
[Jamater Al-Badori Shomachar (Bangla)]
Nushaiba Abubakar <bd.moveon@.. .> wrote:
What about the voilance and hostility by other party?
Are you suggesting that 100th rape celebration by a BCL's Jahangir Nagar university leader is any less of a crime than what happen in 1971?
Are you suggesting that Zainal hajarir's torture chamber is any less horrific? Or many atrocities that his personal mafia force have done during BAL regime 1996-2001?
How about Samim Osman and Abul hasnat abdullah's atrocities during BAL regime?
That's why I said "it should be completely a judiciary matter". Only a formal court can sort this out. Criminals should be punished for their crime regardless of which party they are with. Criminals are criminals, no matter which party they are in.
Just because one supports Democratic Party does not make him unpatriotic even though the party opposed Vietnam War. Just because one supports BJI, does not make him unpatriotic even though the party opposed independence. Criminals in anti-war violent protest (supporter of Democratic Party) are criminals. They are criminals because they broke the law, not because they opposed war! Similarly criminals in anti-independent atrocities in Bangladesh are criminals. They are criminals because they broke the law, not because they opposed independence!
Politicians take sides one way or other all the time. They gain politically if they take the "right" side. They loose politically if they take the "wrong" side. This is a common practice in democratic society.
Do you think Maulana Abul Kalam Azad (the big one) was a traitor because he opposed independent Pakistan? Are you suggesting us to "Hate" him?
Do you think everyone in Kashmir support independent Kashmir? Do we wipe out every one who opposes independent Kashmir if Kashmir (ever) gets independence?
What about other nations that split and got independence? I know some of you are like a frog in a pond who thought his pond is all that is in the universe. But in reality independences are very common phenomenon in the history of human civilization (may be in Dinosaurs' as well, who knows). Every time it happened there were two camp, one those who supported and one those who opposed.
Please stop spreading hate. May be there is very little love in your life, but there is no harm seeking more!
Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 1:53 AM
".....non-sense anti-Jamaat patriotism stupidity... ." is a very strong statement aimed at covering up the years of violence against unequipped regular public, not for agreeing with jamat's evil persistence the way they make. A bit we can understand from this statement in quotation by the following jamat supporter.
The reality is that the Jamat did so much violence against non-jamatis and general public, from the time of their inception (Moududi's rise), and this pile got so bigger that will never get wiped off, whatever new policy Jamat takes, not even by their sincere and serious efforts and repentances or even by serious tauba.
In the name of religion, they did so much heinous crimes and constantly remained engaged in so much in violence and inhumanity, that must be called for being accountable, rather just go away, like 90 thousand Pakistani killer soldier escaped without any punishments, who were heavily favored and helped by the jamatis also.. The character swap is impossible to believe in.
Can we stop this non-sense anti-Jamaat patriotism stupidity? We are a democratic nation (or that's what we claim). If you don't like Jamaat, don't vote for it. Vote for the other guys (I do). Why you have to `wipe out` a party just because you don't like it?
If anyone did any crime (I am sure some of them did, and did a lot), it should be completely a judiciary matter. Why are you jumping up and down? Just file a case against the criminal(s). If court rule, we all will comply with that.
If you keep referring to incidents happened 37 years ago, doesn't it mean these people have been good for all the life of Bangladesh? In fact they were better than you all these years, isn't it? That's why you have to bring in the 37-yer old story even before Bangladesh was born.
I don't care who laved me before I born. I don't care who `did not want me` before I born. I want to know who loved me after I born. I want to know who love me now. That is exactly what Bangladesh wants to know.
If you want to tell me that you love me, start behaving nice to me. If you want to tell Bangladesh that you love her, stop spreading hate, and start behaving a civilized human being. Start working on what is good for her. Start showing respect to her every child i.e. citizen.
And what ever you do, for god sake, stop talking in past sense. Its becoming pathetic. 37 year ago, you may have been a young, hot and cute looking guy. So what? You want me to marry you today for that? Are you kidding me?
Let's move on!