Pls refrain from using the term Islamist. It is newly created abrogated terminology. Like Muhammadan..MOhamedan..etc. U could try..religious dogmats.Talk abt Jewsih Organisations who held demonstrations in support of bombing Gaja. I am sure even ppl amongst us will even justify that for Israel owig to their so called Aamodi views in the name of secularism.
Thank u.
Mufassil Islam
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: ezajur.rahman@q8.com
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:43:24 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Fwd: Re: [khabor.com] Bangladesh election results augur well for India
Dear Shamim
Certainly Jamaati were dealt a blow in the elections - but it is an
electoral blow and a political backlash. Jamaat is still Jamaat
- they just didn't win seats in Parliament. If Jamaat decided
not to contest elections - like the Tablighis - would you say Jamaat
is weakened? Politically yes. On the ground? No!
I do not support Jamaat and I am no Islamist. Though I understand why some wish for an Islamic state believing - rightly or wrongly - that an Islamic state will bring justice and equality. Because democracy has not brought us justice and equality yet.
So it is not enough to measure Jamaat - or the fight against Jamaat -
solely by the number of arrests or parliamentary seats.
It is the ethical application of government, law and leadership that
will pose the biggest challenge to fundamentalism. This is true
throughout the Islamic world.
BNP and AL - both - must dismantle their cadres, their cult of
personalities, their familial politics, their undemocratic practices
and immoral activities. This is how you/we can really fight extremism
(whether that is Jamaat or not).
You can measure your own credentials by deciding who you want to be
Hasina's successor - Joy, Rehana or a truly national leader.
Don't for a second think that Shibbir is scared of Chatra League just
because AL won the elections.
We must all join hands and heal the body of our nation.
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com , Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@...>
wrote:
>
> Mr. S.A. Hannan, I find your rebuttal write-up witty cleverish
attempt to deny the veracity. Indeed there is no doubt that the
Jamaat-e-Islami was completely rejected by the people of Bangladesh
in election held on December 29 of 2009.
>
> Jamaat Ameer Motiur Rahman Nizami, Secretary General Muzahid, Joint
Sec. Kamruzzamn, Moulana Subhan, Dialwar Hossian Syedee and rest of
their candidates failed to secure any seats except 2 seats in greater
Chittagong. This vote pattern allover Bangladesh shows the sign of
voter's denunciation toward the old school of traders of religion.
>
> Writer's assertion that Jamaat and Islami Oikko Jote overrun
dominance over BNP is not a myth contrarily your refutation was a
tricky cover-up. It is not just the essayist but the electronic and
print media in Bangladesh reported comments from vast majority of BNP
stalwarts and workers who grumble upon alliance with Jamaat an
infested organization with war criminals as the major reason of their
fallout. Jamaat leader's unacceptability among common people is one
of the major reasons for alliance loss, Islami Oikko Jote and others
within the four party alliances assume similar reason for their
thrashing defeat.
>
> Linkage with HUJI or HUJI as protégé of Jamaat-e-Islami is also far
and wide understood. A cosmic number of anti Islam, anti mankind HUJI
members arrested in Bangladesh found to be interconnected to Jamaat-e-
Islami of Bangladesh to attest people's assertion is precise.
>
> Jamaat-e-Islam unadulterated vote bank has not been disturbed very
much but since their resurrection under Gen. Zia guidance and lend a
hand policy they plausible failed to attain their ground among
masses. Election results were enough to have an irreversible cardiac
arrest for Jamaat-e-Islami. Pro secular people of Bangladesh
effectively blocked the entourage of rejected leaders of 1971 and
their party. Votes received in by Jamaat on 29th December election
was exclusively not from their own vote bank but from their tactical
alliance partner BNP, Islami Oikko Jote and other.
>
> Pakistani notorious organization called ISI trains so called anti
Indian Jihadist and other destabilizing element wherever they can be
bring into being whether that is in Kashmir, Karachi or Khulna is an
open secret.
>
> People have seen with great dismay the mischievous political use of
anti Indian card since 1947 which must end to ensure the new age of
friendship and cooperation for peace and prosperity. Life of our
people will not change without collaboration, therefore the
governments of our subcontinent has to put their hands together
collectively and firmly.
>
> Sincerely
> Shamim Chowdhury
> Maryland, USA
>
> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@...> wrote:
>
> From: Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@...>
> Subject: Fwd: Re: [khabor.com] Bangladesh election results augur
well for India
> To: veirsmill@...
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:24 AM
>
> --- In khabor@yahoogroups.com , "S A Hannan" <sahannan@>
> wrote:
>
> Dear members,
>
> Assalamu Alaikum.Such articles have no value as the clear motive is
> Islam-bashing in different pretexts.
>
> The writer says," Begum Khaleda Zia's governance was dominated by
> the Islamist fundamentalist parties like the Jamaat-e-Islami and
Islamic
> Okiya Jote who were her alliance partners. The end result of such a
> coalition was a virtual confrontational attitude towards India, a
> creeping Talibanisation of Bangladesh and Bangladesh territory being
> used as a springboard by Pakistan Army's ISI and anti-Indian
> insurgent groups to destabilize India's North East."
> This is all lies, neither Khaleda Zia's government was dominated by
> Islamist parties (Begum Khalida's party had single majority, did not
> require any other party's support for govenance ) nor there was any
> Talibanisation nor Bangladesh was used for Indian insurgent
groups.In
> fact north-eastern area is more suitable terrain ( because of many
> hills and forest )for insurgency than Bangladesh.
>
> It is also not true that Islamists have been wiped out.In fact .
> In fact Jamaate Islami has got more votes this time ( more than 3.2
> million votes ,exactly3278459 votes in 38 seats ) against 2.4
million
> votes, exactly 2427574 in 36 seats in 2001 .There is an increase
of 8
> lac ( eight hundred thousand ) votes.this year which indicates
increase
> of support for Jamaate Islami even if we exclude votes in two extra
> contested seats this year. We should also remember that total
> electoral votes have been reduced by 12 million in the present
voter
> list compared to the updated voter list
> of 2006 ( from 93 million it has come down to 81 million )
> In this context to say Jamaate Islami has been uprooted is nothing
but
> wishful thinking.Jamaate Islami has very strong rural and district
level
> base.It is the force of the future.Some people are telling that the
last
> election is the victory of secularism..It is not at all that.You
just
> read Sheikh Hasina's television speech to the nation and you will
find
> out that Sheilh Hasina and Awami League are not secular in the
western
> sense.
> It is also a major invention of the Indian analyst that the HUJI
is a
> protege of Jamaate Islami.It shows the extent of lies some Indial
> analysts use in their writing.
> .
>
> I am not responding to other points.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isha Khan
> To: zoglul@ ; mbimunshi@ ; rehman.mohammad@ ; mahmudurart@ ;
> farhadmazhar@ ; alochona@yahoogroups.com ; premlaliguras@ ;
> dhakamails@yahoogroups.com ; khabor@yahoogroups.com ;
> bdresearchers@yahoogroups.com ; bangla-vision@yahoogroups.com ;
> mouchakaydheel@ ; odhora@yahoogroups.com ; ayeshakabir@ ;
> sayantha15@ ; shahin72@ ; minarrashid@ ;
> history_islam@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:59 AM
> Subject: [khabor.com] Bangladesh election results augur well for
India
>
>
> Bangladesh election results augur well for India
>
> If India's policy establishment and foreign office spends even half
> the time they spend on Pakistan on improving relations with
Bangladesh,
> the political landscape of South Asia could change in India's favor.
>
> Dr. Subhash Kapila
>
> Bangladesh General Elections results augur well for India with the
> emergence of Begum Sheikh Hasina's Awami League alliance inflicting
> a crushing defeat on the Bangladesh Nationalist Party led by Begum
> Khaleda Zia. In her last tenure as Prime Minister, Begum Khaleda
> Zia's governance was dominated by the Islamist fundamentalist
> parties like the Jamaat-e-Islami and Islamic Okiya Jote who were her
> alliance partners. The end result of such a coalition was a virtual
> confrontational attitude towards India, a creeping Talibanisation of
> Bangladesh and Bangladesh territory being used as a springboard by
> Pakistan Army's ISI and anti-Indian insurgent groups to destabilize
> India's North East.
>
> Begum Sheikh Hasina has won an outright victory in the General
Elections
> by securing more than 260 seats out of about 290 plus seats. Begum
> Zia's party could secure only about 30 seats. The Islamic
> fundamentalist parties have virtually been wiped out. The Awami
League
> on its own strength has a comfortable majority which would
contribute to
> better governance.
> The political message that seems to be coming out of Bangladesh in
the
> present electoral verdict is that the Bangladeshis are yearning for
a
> political change in governance. That they have not given a
fragmented
> electoral verdict and given an absolute victory in favor of Awami
League
> and in the leadership of Begum Hasina is a strong pointer in this
> direction and also that the people desire political stability.
>
> Before one moves to the significance of this election victory, some
> pertinent points need to be highlighted which augur well for
> Bangladesh's political dynamics and these are (1) The General
> Elections held on December 29 were free and fair without rigging.
This
> fact stands testified by international election observers. (2) The
> Bangladesh people this time came out in large numbers to vote with
some
> reports suggesting that the turnout about 59%or so (3) Both of the
> preceding two factors would indicate that the Caretaker
Administration
> backed by the Bangladesh Army and its Chief. General Moeen U Ahmed
had
> taken adequate steps and ensured a violence free election
environment.
>
> The first major declaration of Begum Hasina after her electoral
victory
> was that her Government on assuming power would not permit
Bangladesh
> soil being used for terrorism and insurgent activities against
India.
> Coming as it did in the wake of Mumbai 9/11 and the earlier record
where
> the Jamaat-e-Islami protégé HUJI was instrumental in many of the
> major terrorism incidents in India on behalf of Pakistani
intelligence
> agencies, this should be a welcome move from India's point of view.
>
> Joint cooperation to fight the terrorist menace between Bangladesh
and
> India can therefore now be expected to become meaningful with Begum
> Hasina's declaration and a groundwork for this already stands laid
> by the Bangladesh Army Chief in the last two years. It needs to be
> pointed out that in the last two years the Bangladesh Army Chief has
> virtually brought to an end the Talibanisation of Bangladesh by
swift
> action against Islamic fundamentalists including execution of over
half
> a dozen of them. What a comparison that while the Congress
Government in
> India dithers on the execution of Afzal Guru, in an Islamic country
like
> Bangladesh, swift execution of Islamic militants accused of violent
> crimes could take place.
>
> Bangladesh's cooperation would be required by India to get the safe
> havens enjoyed in Bangladesh by anti –insurgent groups like the ULFA
> which in a way signaled its potent power by the latest bomb blasts
in
> Assam (Guwahati) soon after the Bangladesh Election results were
out. In
> fact the elimination of ULFA sanctuaries from Bangladesh should
receive
> priority attention in the Indian Government's approaches to the new
> Dhaka Government as this would deprive the Islamic terrorist groups
> operating in Assam of making use of the ULFA network. It may be also
> easier for the new Dhaka Government to assist India in the
elimination
> of ULFA as it is a non-Islamist organization and would therefore not
> cause any domestic ripples.
>
> While India would expect that the new Dhaka Government would assist
> India in eliminating the twin menaces to India's national security
> in the North East by not allowing Bangladesh to be a springboard for
> anti-Indian terrorism and insurgent activities there would be a
> corresponding responsibility on India to remove some of the
irritants
> that bedevil Bangladesh-India relations.
> This is crucial as inherent in Begum Hasina's landslide victory lie
> dangers that her political opponents may attempt an early
> destabilization of her regime by co-opting the very elements that
India
> wants to be eliminated and external backers of such elements like
> Pakistan and China.
>
> As I had written earlier that if India's policy establishment and
> foreign office spends even half the time they spend on Pakistan on
> improving relations with Bangladesh, the political landscape of
South
> Asia could change in India's favor. The present is an opportune time
> to begin this change as Begum Hasina's emergence in power in
> Bangladesh with an absolute political victory in the recent General
> Elections augurs well for India.
>
>
> (Dr. Subhash Kapila analyses foreign policy topics, strategic
issues and
> political developments with a special focus on India and its
> neighborhood. Source: www.boloji.com)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>
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>
Certainly Jamaati were dealt a blow in the elections - but it is an
electoral blow and a political backlash. Jamaat is still Jamaat
- they just didn't win seats in Parliament. If Jamaat decided
not to contest elections - like the Tablighis - would you say Jamaat
is weakened? Politically yes. On the ground? No!
I do not support Jamaat and I am no Islamist. Though I understand why some wish for an Islamic state believing - rightly or wrongly - that an Islamic state will bring justice and equality. Because democracy has not brought us justice and equality yet.
So it is not enough to measure Jamaat - or the fight against Jamaat -
solely by the number of arrests or parliamentary seats.
It is the ethical application of government, law and leadership that
will pose the biggest challenge to fundamentalism. This is true
throughout the Islamic world.
BNP and AL - both - must dismantle their cadres, their cult of
personalities, their familial politics, their undemocratic practices
and immoral activities. This is how you/we can really fight extremism
(whether that is Jamaat or not).
You can measure your own credentials by deciding who you want to be
Hasina's successor - Joy, Rehana or a truly national leader.
Don't for a second think that Shibbir is scared of Chatra League just
because AL won the elections.
We must all join hands and heal the body of our nation.
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroup
wrote:
>
> Mr. S.A. Hannan, I find your rebuttal write-up witty cleverish
attempt to deny the veracity. Indeed there is no doubt that the
Jamaat-e-Islami was completely rejected by the people of Bangladesh
in election held on December 29 of 2009.
>
> Jamaat Ameer Motiur Rahman Nizami, Secretary General Muzahid, Joint
Sec. Kamruzzamn, Moulana Subhan, Dialwar Hossian Syedee and rest of
their candidates failed to secure any seats except 2 seats in greater
Chittagong. This vote pattern allover Bangladesh shows the sign of
voter's denunciation toward the old school of traders of religion.
>
> Writer's assertion that Jamaat and Islami Oikko Jote overrun
dominance over BNP is not a myth contrarily your refutation was a
tricky cover-up. It is not just the essayist but the electronic and
print media in Bangladesh reported comments from vast majority of BNP
stalwarts and workers who grumble upon alliance with Jamaat an
infested organization with war criminals as the major reason of their
fallout. Jamaat leader's unacceptability among common people is one
of the major reasons for alliance loss, Islami Oikko Jote and others
within the four party alliances assume similar reason for their
thrashing defeat.
>
> Linkage with HUJI or HUJI as protégé of Jamaat-e-Islami is also far
and wide understood. A cosmic number of anti Islam, anti mankind HUJI
members arrested in Bangladesh found to be interconnected to Jamaat-e-
Islami of Bangladesh to attest people's assertion is precise.
>
> Jamaat-e-Islam unadulterated vote bank has not been disturbed very
much but since their resurrection under Gen. Zia guidance and lend a
hand policy they plausible failed to attain their ground among
masses. Election results were enough to have an irreversible cardiac
arrest for Jamaat-e-Islami. Pro secular people of Bangladesh
effectively blocked the entourage of rejected leaders of 1971 and
their party. Votes received in by Jamaat on 29th December election
was exclusively not from their own vote bank but from their tactical
alliance partner BNP, Islami Oikko Jote and other.
>
> Pakistani notorious organization called ISI trains so called anti
Indian Jihadist and other destabilizing element wherever they can be
bring into being whether that is in Kashmir, Karachi or Khulna is an
open secret.
>
> People have seen with great dismay the mischievous political use of
anti Indian card since 1947 which must end to ensure the new age of
friendship and cooperation for peace and prosperity. Life of our
people will not change without collaboration, therefore the
governments of our subcontinent has to put their hands together
collectively and firmly.
>
> Sincerely
> Shamim Chowdhury
> Maryland, USA
>
> --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@.
>
> From: Shamim Chowdhury <veirsmill@.
> Subject: Fwd: Re: [khabor.com] Bangladesh election results augur
well for India
> To: veirsmill@..
> Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:24 AM
>
> --- In khabor@yahoogroups.
> wrote:
>
> Dear members,
>
> Assalamu Alaikum.Such articles have no value as the clear motive is
> Islam-bashing in different pretexts.
>
> The writer says," Begum Khaleda Zia's governance was dominated by
> the Islamist fundamentalist parties like the Jamaat-e-Islami and
Islamic
> Okiya Jote who were her alliance partners. The end result of such a
> coalition was a virtual confrontational attitude towards India, a
> creeping Talibanisation of Bangladesh and Bangladesh territory being
> used as a springboard by Pakistan Army's ISI and anti-Indian
> insurgent groups to destabilize India's North East."
> This is all lies, neither Khaleda Zia's government was dominated by
> Islamist parties (Begum Khalida's party had single majority, did not
> require any other party's support for govenance ) nor there was any
> Talibanisation nor Bangladesh was used for Indian insurgent
groups.In
> fact north-eastern area is more suitable terrain ( because of many
> hills and forest )for insurgency than Bangladesh.
>
> It is also not true that Islamists have been wiped out.In fact .
> In fact Jamaate Islami has got more votes this time ( more than 3.2
> million votes ,exactly3278459 votes in 38 seats ) against 2.4
million
> votes, exactly 2427574 in 36 seats in 2001 .There is an increase
of 8
> lac ( eight hundred thousand ) votes.this year which indicates
increase
> of support for Jamaate Islami even if we exclude votes in two extra
> contested seats this year. We should also remember that total
> electoral votes have been reduced by 12 million in the present
voter
> list compared to the updated voter list
> of 2006 ( from 93 million it has come down to 81 million )
> In this context to say Jamaate Islami has been uprooted is nothing
but
> wishful thinking.Jamaate Islami has very strong rural and district
level
> base.It is the force of the future.Some people are telling that the
last
> election is the victory of secularism..
just
> read Sheikh Hasina's television speech to the nation and you will
find
> out that Sheilh Hasina and Awami League are not secular in the
western
> sense.
> It is also a major invention of the Indian analyst that the HUJI
is a
> protege of Jamaate Islami.It shows the extent of lies some Indial
> analysts use in their writing.
> .
>
> I am not responding to other points.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isha Khan
> To: zoglul@ ; mbimunshi@ ; rehman.mohammad@ ; mahmudurart@ ;
> farhadmazhar@ ; alochona@yahoogroup
> dhakamails@yahoogro
> bdresearchers@
> mouchakaydheel@ ; odhora@yahoogroups.
> sayantha15@ ; shahin72@ ; minarrashid@ ;
> history_islam@
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:59 AM
> Subject: [khabor.com] Bangladesh election results augur well for
India
>
>
> Bangladesh election results augur well for India
>
> If India's policy establishment and foreign office spends even half
> the time they spend on Pakistan on improving relations with
Bangladesh,
> the political landscape of South Asia could change in India's favor.
>
> Dr. Subhash Kapila
>
> Bangladesh General Elections results augur well for India with the
> emergence of Begum Sheikh Hasina's Awami League alliance inflicting
> a crushing defeat on the Bangladesh Nationalist Party led by Begum
> Khaleda Zia. In her last tenure as Prime Minister, Begum Khaleda
> Zia's governance was dominated by the Islamist fundamentalist
> parties like the Jamaat-e-Islami and Islamic Okiya Jote who were her
> alliance partners. The end result of such a coalition was a virtual
> confrontational attitude towards India, a creeping Talibanisation of
> Bangladesh and Bangladesh territory being used as a springboard by
> Pakistan Army's ISI and anti-Indian insurgent groups to destabilize
> India's North East.
>
> Begum Sheikh Hasina has won an outright victory in the General
Elections
> by securing more than 260 seats out of about 290 plus seats. Begum
> Zia's party could secure only about 30 seats. The Islamic
> fundamentalist parties have virtually been wiped out. The Awami
League
> on its own strength has a comfortable majority which would
contribute to
> better governance.
> The political message that seems to be coming out of Bangladesh in
the
> present electoral verdict is that the Bangladeshis are yearning for
a
> political change in governance. That they have not given a
fragmented
> electoral verdict and given an absolute victory in favor of Awami
League
> and in the leadership of Begum Hasina is a strong pointer in this
> direction and also that the people desire political stability.
>
> Before one moves to the significance of this election victory, some
> pertinent points need to be highlighted which augur well for
> Bangladesh's political dynamics and these are (1) The General
> Elections held on December 29 were free and fair without rigging.
This
> fact stands testified by international election observers. (2) The
> Bangladesh people this time came out in large numbers to vote with
some
> reports suggesting that the turnout about 59%or so (3) Both of the
> preceding two factors would indicate that the Caretaker
Administration
> backed by the Bangladesh Army and its Chief. General Moeen U Ahmed
had
> taken adequate steps and ensured a violence free election
environment.
>
> The first major declaration of Begum Hasina after her electoral
victory
> was that her Government on assuming power would not permit
Bangladesh
> soil being used for terrorism and insurgent activities against
India.
> Coming as it did in the wake of Mumbai 9/11 and the earlier record
where
> the Jamaat-e-Islami protégé HUJI was instrumental in many of the
> major terrorism incidents in India on behalf of Pakistani
intelligence
> agencies, this should be a welcome move from India's point of view.
>
> Joint cooperation to fight the terrorist menace between Bangladesh
and
> India can therefore now be expected to become meaningful with Begum
> Hasina's declaration and a groundwork for this already stands laid
> by the Bangladesh Army Chief in the last two years. It needs to be
> pointed out that in the last two years the Bangladesh Army Chief has
> virtually brought to an end the Talibanisation of Bangladesh by
swift
> action against Islamic fundamentalists including execution of over
half
> a dozen of them. What a comparison that while the Congress
Government in
> India dithers on the execution of Afzal Guru, in an Islamic country
like
> Bangladesh, swift execution of Islamic militants accused of violent
> crimes could take place.
>
> Bangladesh's cooperation would be required by India to get the safe
> havens enjoyed in Bangladesh by anti –insurgent groups like the ULFA
> which in a way signaled its potent power by the latest bomb blasts
in
> Assam (Guwahati) soon after the Bangladesh Election results were
out. In
> fact the elimination of ULFA sanctuaries from Bangladesh should
receive
> priority attention in the Indian Government's approaches to the new
> Dhaka Government as this would deprive the Islamic terrorist groups
> operating in Assam of making use of the ULFA network. It may be also
> easier for the new Dhaka Government to assist India in the
elimination
> of ULFA as it is a non-Islamist organization and would therefore not
> cause any domestic ripples.
>
> While India would expect that the new Dhaka Government would assist
> India in eliminating the twin menaces to India's national security
> in the North East by not allowing Bangladesh to be a springboard for
> anti-Indian terrorism and insurgent activities there would be a
> corresponding responsibility on India to remove some of the
irritants
> that bedevil Bangladesh-India relations.
> This is crucial as inherent in Begum Hasina's landslide victory lie
> dangers that her political opponents may attempt an early
> destabilization of her regime by co-opting the very elements that
India
> wants to be eliminated and external backers of such elements like
> Pakistan and China.
>
> As I had written earlier that if India's policy establishment and
> foreign office spends even half the time they spend on Pakistan on
> improving relations with Bangladesh, the political landscape of
South
> Asia could change in India's favor. The present is an opportune time
> to begin this change as Begum Hasina's emergence in power in
> Bangladesh with an absolute political victory in the recent General
> Elections augurs well for India.
>
>
> (Dr. Subhash Kapila analyses foreign policy topics, strategic
issues and
> political developments with a special focus on India and its
> neighborhood. Source: www.boloji.com)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------
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