[mukto-mona] How come, an Ahmadiya is attacking the TRUE MUSLIMS as 'Hippocrates?

How come, an Ahmadiya is telling the TRUE MUSLIMS 'Hippocrates?
So Din shahed, You don't believe Hazrat Muhammad peace be upon him, is not the Last messenger of Allah?
Those who doesn't believe Hazrat  Muhammad peace be upon him is the last,they are the APOSTATE, not the other way around. 
How come you are attacking  those Muslims who has become REAL Muslim by correcting their faith (revert) as Hippocrates? You are the one who is in the wrong side, Ahmadia followers are not the TRUE Muslims. I think this Forum has no space for the AHMADIYA FAITH.
I may not change your belief, but STUDY the QUR'AN ( the True Qur'an, not the Ahmadiya version!), you will find out the truth. Many of the Ahmadiyas came back to the true fold of Islam, and many will come back too, in future.
Din shahed, you have freedom of choice, and you will be judged on that,on the day of Judgement. A free advice for you, TRY to learn why so many Ahmadiya SCHOLARS joining back to the Mainstream Islam by denouncing the Ahmadiya offshoot's wrong  explanation!

I would like to request the Moderator to look at the CONTENT of a mail before sending to the forum!
Thanks,
M Kamal

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From: Din Shahed <dmshahed2006@yahoo.ca>
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Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 2:00 PM
Subject: [Dahuk]: Re: [AmericanMuslimBrotherhood]in response to Ahmadiyyahs Revert to Islam in Indonesia--it is good if Ahmadis give up their false creed and become Muslims again

 

From : Din Shahed <dmshahed@yahoo.com> Sent : January 19, 2004 4:27:23 PM To : dmshahed@hotmail.com Subject : Re: [Ahmadi Friends] in reply, REALITY OF APOSTATES Din Shahed <dmshahed@yahoo.com> wrote: HIPPOCRATES AND APOSTATES ARE DOOMED!! HippoCates and apostates have been found in the times of all the prophets and in the time of their sacred successors. Hippo crates and apostates had been in the time of the Holy Prophet Muhammad [peace be on Him] and his sacred successors but they could not succeed in their nefarious designs to annihilate Islam and Muslims. God says," wa hammoo bema lam yanaloo"[ Surah Al-Taubah verse 74].It means that they designed what they could not attain. In the time of the Holy Promised Messiah and Mahdi, the founder of Ahmadiyya movement in Islam, hippo crates and apostates were also to be found as usual in the times of all the prophets. GRIEF OF THE HOLY PROPHET [peace be on Him]: - The holy prophet Muhammad [peace be on Him] used to be grieved over the plight of the hippo crates and apostates But God consoled him in the words of the Holy Quran,"La yahzunka allazeena yusaeoona fil-kufre….." [Surah Al-Maidah verse 42].It means that "O Messenger let not those grieve thee who hasten to fall into disbelief ---those who say with their mouths ,we believe BUT THEIR HEARTS BELIEVE NOT. "!! So also I personally felt grief and sorrow that Muzaffar Ahmad of Naushehrah, the nephew of Maulana Muhammad Shafi Ashraf, became non-Ahmadi only due to his sheer ignorance of the teachings of Ahmadiyyat and about the claim of the holy Promised Messiah and Mahdi [peace be on Him]. Actually the difference of Khatm-e-Nabuwwat is only a literal difference not the basic difference among Ahmadi Muslims and other Muslims. I have published a book regarding the question of "Khatm-e-Nabuwwat" in a new way under the title of "Khatam-ul-Ambia ka bemisal aur be-nazir aali Muqam", which can be had from me .Had he read that book he wouldn't have been misguided. If a few Ahmdies became hippo Cates and apostates, they can do no harm to Jama'at Ahmadiyya. IF "MUHAMMAD BIN ABI BAKR", THE SON OF HAZRAT ABUBAKR SIDDIQUE [may Allah be pleased with Him] CAN BECOME A HIPPOCRATE AND APOSTATE AND CAN SUPPORT THOSE REBALLIOUS PEOPLE WHO KILLED HAZRAT USMAN, THE THIRD CALIPH OF THE HOLY PROPHET, SO ANY BODY FROM ANY AHMADI FAMILY ALSO COULD BECOME HIPPOCRATE AND APOSTATE!! They can do no harm to devoted Ahmadi Muslims. THEY WERE already and actually DISBELIEVERS so Allah showed their hidden disbelief to devoted Ahmadies. The REASON for their disbelief was their stubbornness, disobedience; their thinking about themselves to be a big, intellectual and wealthy!! Allah says in the holy Quran, "Wa laqad qaloo kalemat-ul-kufr bada islamehim …Wama naqamoo illa an aghnahum-Allaho…".[Sura Al-Taubah verse 74].It means that THEY DID CERTAINLY UTTER THE WORD OF DISBELIEF,AND DISBELIEVED AFTER HAD EMBRASSED ISLAM.AND THEY DESIGNED WHAT THEY COULD NOT ATTAIN.AND THEY CHERISHED ENMITY AGAINST BELIEVERS BECAUSE ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER ENRICHED THEM OUT OF HIS BOUNY. IBLIS disobeyed Adam. Allah says, "Aba wastakbara wa kana minalkafereen" [Surah Al-Baqarah verse 35]. It means that He refused and deemed himself too big and he was of the disbelievers!! So is the case of the hippo crates and apostates in the time of the Holy Promised Messiah and Mahdi [peace be on Him] and in the time of His sacred successors. Karim Buksh Dar of Quetta was a devoted Ahmadi Muslim of Quetta,Pakistan. Allah blessed him with His favours due to accepting Ahmadiyyat,the true Islam. His son is Mubashir Ahmad Dar,who lives in Canada. I was really shocked to know that Mubashir Ahmad Dar while wooing with ahmediorg, a very hostile to Ahmadiyya Jama'at, said to it, " I WANT TO WORK WITH YOU. I HAVE BEST WISHES FOR YOU"!! And said " KHALIFA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR…" !! Such kind of intolerable, outrageous and disrespectful words cannot be expected from an Ahmadi Muslim!! Ahmadiyya Islam never taught us the western type of democracy. In Sialkot,Pakistan, Qazi Ali Muhammad Khateeb got majority votes in the election to the Amir-e-Jama'at.But Hazrat khalifat-ul-Masih-us-Sani [may Allah be pleased with Him] out of God gifted knowledge did not accept him to be the Amir-e-Jama'at. Afterwards the inner disbelief of Qazi Ali Muhammad became open and manifest and he became Bahai !! If Hazrat Khalifat-ul-Masih-ur-Rabie[may Allah be please with Him]out of God gifted insight appointed Maulana Nasim Mahdi sahib,The Amir of the Canadian Jama'at without election, his decision is a blessing for the onward progress of the Jama'at Ahmadiyya,Canada. I may give testimony that the progress of Jama'at Ahmadiyya,Canada is marvelous under the sagacious and kind administration of Maulana Nasim Mahdi sahib !! Though I do not know Mubashir Ahmad Dar personally, I request him to be careful for himself. I pray for his guidance and humbly request him to be humble, faithful, and obedient to the "Nizam-e-Jama'at" according to the teachings of the holy Quran, Sunnah and the teachings of the Holy Promised Messiah [peace be on Him]. I humbly request him to be careful of himself, not to be careful of the Jama'at. Nobody authorized him to take care of the Jama'at. And I humbly request him to stop wooing, supporting and working with ahmadiorg, a very hostile site to Jama;at Ahmadiyya. The holy Promised Messiah in His teachings to the Jama'at said," One who keeps company with a bad man, who influences him , he is not of my Jama'at" [Kashti-e-Nooh] Allah has enjoined us in the Holy Quran, "wala taqraba hazhi-shajarata fatakoona minazzalemeen " [Surah Al-Baqah verse 36]. It means that approach not this tree.lest you be of the wrongdoers. And I humbly request him to read the verses of the Holy Quran regarding the bad qualities of Iblis and try to avoid the bad qualities and attributes of hippo crates as Allah says in the Holy Quran, " Wa min-annase man yaqulo amanna bellahe wama hum be momeneen….wama kanoo muhtadeen".[Surah Al-Baqarah verses 9 to 17] These verses mean that: - 9.And of the people there are some who say,' we believe in Allah and the Last Day, while they do not believe at all. 10.They would deceive Allah and those who believe, they deceive none but themselves; only they perceive not. 11.In their hearts was a disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a grievous punishment because they lied. 12, And when it is said to them,"Create not DISORDER in the Earth, they say WE ARE ONLY PROMOTERS OF CORRECTION AND PEACE!! 13.Beware! It is surely they who create disorder, but they do not perceive it. 14.And when it is said to them,"Believe as other people have believed, they say, Shall we believe as the fool have believed? Remember! It is surely they that are the fools, but they do not know. 15.And when they meet those who believe, they say,'We believe; BUT when they are alone with their ring leaders they say, WE ARE CERTAINLY WITH YOU, we were only mocking. 16.ALLAH WILL PUNISH their mockery and will let them continue in their transgression, wandering blindly. 17.These are they who have bartered away guidance for error; May Allah help us to be avoid of the bad qualities and attributes of hippo crates and help us to lead a pious life. Amin Din Shahed <dmshahed@hotmail.com> wrote: IN REPLY TO ABU ZAR'S E-MAIL, "OHOO WHAT HAPPENED IN JAMAT," /REALITY OF APOSTATES I MAY SAY THAT: _________________________________________ 1. AS SO MANY PEOPLE, INCLUDING KATIB-E-WAHYE, BECAME APOSTATE IN THE TIME OF THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD PEACE BE ON HIM, SO ALSO SOME HYPO CRATES IN THIS TIME CAN BECOME APOSTATE. 2.AMERICAN ABUBAKR BECAME APOSTATE AND HE BECAME BAHAI,NON-MUSLIM !! HIS STATEMENT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED."KAHSS KAM JAHAN PAK " !! 3.AND SHEIKH RAHEEL AHMAD OF GERMANY BECAME APOSTATE DU TO HIS SOME PERSONAL DIFFERENCES WITH SOME AHMADIES AND DUE TO HIS WEAKNESS IN OFFERING CONTRIBUTIONS [CHANDAJATS]. 4.I ASKED RAHEEL ,THE APOSTATE TO TALK WITH ME WHY HE BECAME APOSTATE,HE DID NOT DARE TO SPEAK WITH ME ON PALTALK !! 5.I ASKED RAHEEL AND OTHER APOSTATES DID THEY CHANGED THEIR AHMADIYYA ISLAMIC IDEAS AND BELIEFS TO NON-ISLAMIC IDEAS AFTER BECOMING APOSTATES,THEY DID NOT DARE TO RESPOND ME. 6.I TOLD THEM BEING AHMADI MUSLIMS YOU WERE BELIEVING IN ISLAMIC BELIEFS THAT: [1] OUR ALLAH IS "AL-HAYY-UL-QAYYAM".ALL HIS ATTRIBUTES ARE LIVING AND ETERNAL WITHOUT ENDING AND DIMINISHING. AFTER BECOMING APOSTATES DO YOU BELIEVE THAT SOME ALLAH'S ATTRIBUTES BECAME SHORT,ENDED AND DIMINISHED ? NOW HE BECAME DEF AND DUMB AND NOW HE CAN NOT SPEAK AND CAN NOT PROPHESY ABOUT THE FUTURE AND CANT NOT SHOW MIRACLES? HAS GOD BECAME DEAD ? [2] BEING AN AHMADI MUSLIM,YOU BELIEVED THAT ANGLES DO NOT DISOBEY ALLAH, AFTER DESERTING AHMADIYYAT,YOU AGAIN BELIEVE ANGELS DISOBEY ALLAH AS HAROOT AND MAROOT DID !!EVEN IBLEES WHO WAS ANGLE AFTER DISOBEYING GOD BECAME IBLEES AND SATAN THE REJECTED !! [3] BEING AN AHMADI MUSLIM YOU BELIEVED THAT ALL THE PROPHETS ARE PIOUS AND FREE FROM ALL KINDS OF SINS AND SHORTCOMINGS. AFTER DESERTING AHMADIYYAT,THE TRUE ISLAM YOU AGAIN BELIEVE LIKE OTHER COMMON MUSLIMS THAT ALL PROPHETS WERE SINNERS !! [NAUZUBILLAH. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ALL KINDS OF SINS AND SHORTCOMINGS, ATTRIBUTED TO ALL PROPHETS BECAME TRUE AND ALL THE PROPHETS WERE SINNERS AND WERE HAVING SHORTCOMINGS ACCORDING TO THE NON-AHMADI TRANSLATIONS AND COMMENTARIES OF THE HOLY QURAN [{NAUZUBILLAH]. SEE THE NON-AHMADI TRANSLATIONS AND COMMENTARIES OF THE HOLY QURAN IN COMPARISON TO TAFSEER-E-SAGHEER REGARDING VARIOUS PROPHETS IN THESE VERSES :- ,[1].SURAH HOOD VERSE 79,SURAH HIJAR V.72.[2].SURAH SAD V.27[3]SURAH AHZAB V.70 [4]SURAH SAD V.45 [5]SURAH YUSUF V.78,25[6] SURAH NAMAL V.48 [7]SURAH SAD V.34,35 [8] SURAH MARYAM V.58 [9] SURAH AARAF V.190,191 AND SURAH NISA V.1 [10] SURAH ALE-IMRAN V.40 [11] etc [4] BEING AN AHMADI MUSLIM YOU BELIEVED THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD [PEACE BE ON HIM] IS THE MOST PIOUS PROPHET AND ALL THE SHORTCOMINGS AND SINS ATTRIBUTED IN THE TRADITIONS AND NON-AHMADI TRANSLATIONS AND COMMENTARIES OF THE VERSES OF THE HOLY QURAN REGARDING THE HOLY PROPHET[ PEACE BE ON HIM] ARE TOTALLY WRONG AND AGAINST THE HOLY AND SUBLIME STATUS OF THE HOLY PROPHET [PEACE BE ON HIM]. AFTER DESERTING AHMADIYYAT,THE TRUE ISLAM,YOU AGAIN BELIEVE THAT SUCH TRADITIONS AND NON-AHMAD TRANSLATIONS AND COMMENTARIES OF THE VERSES REGARDING THE HOLY PROPHET PEACE BE ON HIM [WHICH ARE TOTALLY WRONG AND AGAINST THE HOLY AND SUBLIME STATUS OF THE HOLY PROPHET ] ARE TRUE AND [NAUZOBILLAH] THE HOLY PROPHET COMMITTED SINS AND WAS HAVING SHORTCOMINGS ACOORDING TO NON-AHMADI TRANSLATIONS AND COMMENTARIES OF THE HOLY QURAN !! SEE THE NON-AHMADI TRANSLATIONS AND COMMENTARIES OF THE HOLY QURAN VERSES: [1]SURAH AHZAB V.38 [2] SURAH TAHREEM V.2 [3] SURAH ABAS V.V.2 [4] SURAH NAJAM V.20-21 [5]SURAH MUHAMMAD V.20 [6] SURAH MOMIN V.56 [7]SURAH FATAH V.2 [8] SURAH ZUHA V.8 [9]SURAH MUDASSIR V.6 [10]SEE BUKHARI VOLUM 4 PAGE 13-14. ....... SEE THE NON-AHMADI TRANSLATIONS AND COMMENTARIES OF THE HOLY QURN IN COMPARISON TO TAFSEER-E-SAGHEER TRANSLATED BY HAZRAT AQDAS MUSLEH-E-MAUD [MAY ALLAH BE PLEASED WITH HIM] [5]BELIEVING IN AHMADIYYAT,YOU BELIEVED THAT THERE ARE NO ANY CONTRADICTION IN THE VERSES OF THE HOLY QURAN,HENCE NOT A SINGLE VERSE OF THE HOLY QURAN IS ABROGATED. AFTER DESERTING AHMADIYYAT, THE TRUE ISLAM, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT 5 ,19,OR 75 OR HUNDREDS VERSES OF THE HOLY QURAN ARE CONTRADICTORY,HENCE SO MANY VERSES OF THE HOLY QURAN HAVE BEEN ABROGATED? [6] BEING AN AHMADI MUSLIM YOU BELIEVED THAT JESUS CHRIST HAS NO SUPERIORITY OVER THE HOLY PROPHET PEACE BE ON HIM.BUT AFTER DESERTING AHMADIYYAT, YOU AGAIN USED TO BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST HAS 14 SUPERIORITIES OVER ALL THE PROPHETS INCLUDING THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD PEACE BE ON HIM !! [7] BEING AN AHMADI MUSLIM YOU BELIEVED THAT JESUS CHRIST LIKE ALL OTHER PROPHETS DIED.BUT AFTER DESERTING AHMADIYYAT, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST BECAME ALIVE AGAIN?........................... [8] BEING AN AHMADI MUSLIM YOU BELIEVED THE HOLY QURAN IS THE RATIONAL DIVINE HOLY BOOK.THERE IS NO ANY VERSE WHICH IS AGAINST REASON,RATIONALITY AND AGAINST THE REAL SCIENCE. AFTER BECOMING NON-AHMADI YOU AGAIN BELIEVED THAT THERE ARE SO MANY IRRATIONAL,ILLOGICAL AND UNSCIENTIFIC EVENTS. THE HOLY QURAN.SUCH KIND OF IRRATIONAL EVENTS ARE MENTIONED AS MIRACLES WHICH ARE TOTALLY AGAINST THE VERSES OF THE HOLY QURAN. By HELP AND GRACE OF ALLAH I HAVE PUBLISHED ALL THE ABOVE COMPARATIVE IDEAS AND BELIEFS IN A BOOK,"THE BEAUTIES OF THE TRANSLATIONS AND COMMENTARIES OF THE HOLY QURAN BY HAZRAT AQDAS MUSLEH-E-MAUD IN COMPARISON TO OTHER TRANSLATIONS AND COMMENTARIES OF THE HOLY QURAN. I PUT ALL THE ABOVE MENTIONED QUESTIONS TO THE APOSTATES,RAHEEL SHEIKH AND NOOR [ZULMAT] BUT THEY DID NOT DARE TO REPLY ME !! THIS IS THE REALITY OF THE APOSTATES !! 7.ALL THE APOSTATES AFTER DESERTING THE AHMADIYYA JAMA'AT,STILL THEY BELIEVE IN ALL THE AHMADIYYA ISLAMIC BELIEFS !! " DILL HAMAREY SATH HAIN GO MOONH KARAIN BAK BAK HAZAR" !! 8. WE AHMADI MUSLIMS BELIEVE THAT APOSTATES ARE NOT TO BE KILLED AS ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF FREEDOM OF THOUGHT AND BELIEFS THE HOLY QURAN SAYS THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN THE RELIGION.[SURA AL-BAQARA VERSE 258] 9.THE HOLY QURAN SAYS IF SOME ONE BECOMES APOSTATE, HE WILL HAVE TO GO TO HELL AND ALLAH WILL BRING MULTITUDES INSTEAD OF THOSE APOSTATES.[SURAH AL-BAQARAH VERSE 218 AND SURAH AL-MAIDAH VERSE 55]. ACCORDING TO THIS VERSE AND PROPHECY OF ALLAH,IF SOME HYPOCRATES BECAME APOSTATES ,ALLAH BROUGHT HUNDRED THOUSANDS INTO THE AHMADIYYA MOVEMENT IN ISLAM !! AL HAMDO LILLAH !! yours fraternally, dmshahed Ahmadiyya Muslim Missionary [retired]of Pakistan, Former Ameer & missionary-in-charge,Fiji Islands, dmshahed2006@yahoo.ca --- On Sat, 1/19/13, Abdul Wahid Osman Belal <awobelal@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Abdul Wahid Osman Belal <awobelal@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [AmericanMuslimBrotherhood] Fw: [CTI] Ahmadiyyahs Revert to Islam in Indonesia--it is good if Ahmadis give up their false creed and become Muslims again To: "aawaz-e-dost" <aawaz-e-dost@yahoogroups.com>, "Afghanistan_Today@yahoogroups.com" <Afghanistan_Today@yahoogroups.com>, "ahlesunnah" <AhleSunnah@yahoogroups.com>, "ahlesunnat11" <ahlesunnat11@gmail.com>, "al-islamforall" <al-islamforall@yahoogroups.com>, "americanmuslim brotherhood" <americanmuslimbrotherhood@yahoogroups.com>, "ar_ruh" <ar_ruuh@yahoogroups.com>, "discussing_religion@yahoogroups.com" <discussing_religion@yahoogroups.com>, "friendzforAllah" <FriendzforAllah@yahoogroups.com>, "interfaith" <interfaithdialoguecenter@yahoogroups.com>, "IslamicViews" <IslamicViews@yahoogroups.com>, "islamisthetruth" <islamisthetruth@yahoogroups.com>, "issuesonline" <issuesonline_worldwide@yahoogroups.com>, "muslimcity" <muslimcity@yahoogroups.com>, "muslimintelligencer" <muslimintelligencer@yahoogroups.com>, "Pakistani Intellectuals" <pakistanintellectuals@googlemail.com>, "PakistanTimesyg" <PAKISTANTIMES@yahoogroups.com>, "political_analysts@yahoogroups.com" <political_analysts@yahoogroups.com>, "QadianiatExposed@yahoogroups.com" <QadianiatExposed@yahoogroups.com>, "realwideminds" <realwideminds@yahoogroups.com>, "revealingthetruth" <revealing_the_truth@yahoogroups.com>, "S A Hannan" <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com>, "sahannan" <sahannan@yahoogroups.com>, "serenity" <serenity.fountain@gmail.com> Received: Saturday, January 19, 2013, 4:31 AM     ABDUL WAHID OSMAN BELAL ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: SAHANNAN <sahannan@sonarbangladesh.com> To: 'sahannan' <sahannan@yahoogroups.com>; dahuk@yahoogroups.com; awobelal@yahoo.co.uk; political_analysts@yahoogroups.com; MahdiUnite@yahoogroups.com; history_islam@yahoogroups.com; mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com; lutfulb2000@yahoo.com; 'mkorim korim' <mkorim_ipi@yahoo.com>; 'NAZMUS SAKIB NIRJHOR' <nirjhor019@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2013, 5:49 Subject: FW: [CTI] Ahmadiyyahs Revert to Islam in Indonesia--it is good if Ahmadis give up their false creed and become Muslims again

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