BNP can't be any worse for the minorities. The choice is to sit out the election or vote for BNP scoundrels to give them another chance.
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On Sunday, October 13, 2013 3:15 AM, Captain Chowdhury <captchowdhury@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Recent episode on GONOSRADYA determined how part of GOVT and fraction of Hindu wings party has shown bankrupt attitude.
Silly and doesn't want to expose at open forum nakedly looking into discussion with Shariar Kabir bhai( Worked lot for him during 2001-2002 while he was severely persecuted), freshly groomed leaders like Pankaj Devnath babu.
Disgusting and AL can't be HINDU vote bank as always.
I request my community friends to watch very closely while casting vote during this time at the same time BNP should take this advantage by declaring crystal clear manifesto on Vested property issues and other similar agendas.Sensitive issues can't remain OUTSTANDING with using as tramp card during every election.
Suggest to learn fm Indian Muslims.
On Sunday, October 13, 2013 2:20:22 AM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
The problem is that orthodox people like Mr. Q. Rahman don't have the openness of mind to ignore the religious part of gonoshraddha and yet pay tributes to the martyrs. I don't think the Hindu leaders leave the congregation when it comes to visit a graveyards and pray for the departed souls.
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What would have been the harm to let people do a little religious ceremony for their loved ones?
Secular environment? Where?
Word, Shahid is just another bogus issue to put the minorities to their "right place", I suppose."I speak for the trees, for the trees have no tongues."
-Seuss
On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:44 PM, Subimal Chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com> wrote:
1. Why this gonoshraddha after 43 years? Are we not commemorating the martyrs enough? We have 26th march, 14th december, and 16th December. Prayers, symposiums, visiting graveyards, etc. are involved. Don't we feel some thing fishy here?2. "shahid" is not used mostly in religious contexts in Bangladesh.3. Online Miriam Webster provides one meaning of 'pray' as asking or requesting for some thing in an humble manner. One can pray for a leave of absence.4. In a secular environment it is wise not to religionize every thing.
Sent from my iPhone1. Actually I know nothing about the proposed "Gonoshraddha". I smell some conspiracy in the proposed idea. I however have found the debate interesting.
>>>>>>>>>> I cannot fathom any conspiracy here. However I have a feeling once again over excited supporters of BAL caused this. First of all (Religiously speaking--since "Sharaddha" is a religious event) there was NO need to include Muslims into the issue and (Mixing of religion and politics) get into "Shaheed" issue. Like Shraddho, the concept of "Shaheed" (Mostly used in religious context in Bangladesh), so the powerful BAL ulama protested it. Even though it is a non-issue when you look into it. The press around it caused damage to BAL. Like the supporters putting up pictures of political leaders inside Buddhist temple in Ramu.
Sadly (I speak about all political parties here) we do NOT think deeply before we and say things in public spaces. So it damages the party (Even when it has good intentions) at the end.
2. Mr. Q. Rahman, if you look up the word "pray" in the dictionary, you will find that one does not have to pray only to God or a god or a goddess.
>>>>>>>>> I agree. Kindly educate me into this. So WHO do you pray to? The open air? Mother earth? The stray cat running beside you? WHO?
To less educated person like myself, it sounds like "Mubbo-jumbo" that does not mean anything.
3. Personally I have no problem in joining a group assembled in front of a graveyard of a great Muslim man for his "atmar magferat kamona". As a matter of it is very common in our society.
>>>>>>>>>> To be more specific, the concept of atma and magfirat is VERY different for Muslims and non-Muslims. While our people FEEL for each other once we lose a people person from us (Regardless of religious background), it is again kind of symbolic ONLY.
I say this while showing a lot of respect for the spirit you have shown. Just pointing out the nuts and bolts of aspect of prayers.
4. I am sorry to say that inviting one for beef or pork dinner is not comparable to urging one to remember the good deeds of a great person and pray for the liberation of his or her departed soul. It all matters how clean is your heart. Only the dead are the subjects of "atmar magferat kamona" or "shraddha".
>>>>>>>> I used that as an EXAMPLE (ONLY) to make a point. Regardless of our warmth (Which is a good thing) we cannot serve beef to a practicing Hindu. So being respectful and sensitive about religious background is important. Similarly while I took part in certain Hindu families in the rituals (Including visit to the shamsan), I cannot say I prayed for that person.
This "Gonoshraddho" debacle is a fine example why it is important to THINK before we do anything. There are TONS of practical issues that requires attention from our political parties. Improving law and order situation, giving better protection in temples, upholding legal rights of minorities are some aspects. But most of us are good at making speech and but bad at delivering urgent needs of our minority communities.
IN other words less hollow/meaningless words and more meaningful action is what we NEED.
Shalom!
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From: subimal chakrabarty <subimal@yahoo.com>
To: mukto-mona <mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 7:52 am
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] সরকারি নির্দেশে 'গণশ্রাদ্ধ' বন্ধ
1. Actually I know nothing about the proposed "Gonoshraddha". I smell some conspiracy in the proposed idea. I however have found the debate interesting.2. Mr. Q. Rahman, if you look up the word "pray" in the dictionary, you will find that one does not have to pray only to God or a god or a goddess.3. Personally I have no problem in joining a group assembled in front of a graveyard of a great Muslim man for his "atmar magferat kamona". As a matter of it is very common in our society.4. I am sorry to say that inviting one for beef or pork dinner is not comparable to urging one to remember the good deeds of a great person and pray for the liberation of his or her departed soul. It all matters how clean is your heart. Only the dead are the subjects of "atmar magferat kamona" or "shraddha".
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [mukto-mona] সরকারি নির্দেশে 'গণশ্রাদ্ধ' বন্ধ
That's right. The word "Shaheed" is now a common property of all religious groups and has enriched all the languages of the Indian sub-continent without making any cognizance of the specific meaning provided in the Koran.>>>>>>>>> Exactly. By showing the origin of the word, I tried to establish that point. It CAN be used in a secular way as well. However in a quest to prove as a "Lover of Islam" this ulama (From BAL party) gone a bit overboard. So these type of people (Who are powerful enough to stop a "Gono Shardho") should be more careful. No matter what kind of politics, religion (Or no religion) we feel close to, we should try to help our people. Such actions will alienate non-Muslims. "Dharma", "Crusade" and "Jihad" are also among the many such words rooted in religious texts. Sticking to the "true" meanings of such words would be religious fanaticism.
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