WRT http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/47180
[Shitangshu Guha]
If you read again my posting supporting Iraq War, you will see that,
I told clearly, Saddam & Iraq was partly responsible for
Islamization of Bangladesh through Moulana Mannan, Inquilab, Ershad
& others. Well, people are suffering, what we can do?
[Response] Only thing you could do was to read history. If you would
have read history, you would have known that US whom you consider as
the `savior' (muktidata) from Islamic fundamentalism were
responsible to create Islamic fundamentalism and its spreading. Do
not forget that
- It was US who had had supplied Saddam with all kinds of chemical
and biological weapons once and,
- supported Saddam when he used gas against Iranians and also
against Kurds.
Also consider that -
- long term relationship between Bush and Saudi King who are
responsible for spreading Wahabism throughout the world.
- Consider the fact of Osama bin laden being trained by America and
then introduced in a country which had women as ministers, teachers
and doctors and it was SIX MONTHS BEFORE the Soviets were to come
in.
- Consider the fact that US Overthrowed Mossadeq- the secular prime
minister of Iran in a coup which brought in the brutal dictatorship
of the Shah and then saw the political opposition coalesce around
the Mullahs.
- Consider the fact that US Overthrowed the secular and democratic
Sukarno of Indonesia and replacement by Suharto who undertook a
genocide in East Timor.
- Killing all passengers of an Iranian jet liner by American
Missile. America never apologized rather President G. Bush remarked
arrogantly – `I will never apologize for the United States of
America. I don't care what the facts are'.
- Providing support to the fanatic Muslim group in Eygypt to counter
secular leader Nasser
- Providing support to pukka Islamist Khandokar Mustaq after making
a successful bloody coup to remove Bangabandhu Sheik Mujibur Rahaman
in 1975.
- Providing financial and economical support to radical Islamist Zia-
ul Huque of Pakisan who introduced Sharia law to the country.
[Sitangshu Guha] Dear Avijit, you cited some funny arguments
comparing Prof. Ajoy Roy & me. Please don't do that, don't bring
Ajoy Sir to your level or my level.
Response : You are becoming even funnier. It was you who brought
Prof Ajoy Roy's name in the debate and repeatedly asked me why I was
only criticizing you, not Prof. Ajoy Roy. When I gave you the proper
explanation then you tuned yourself upside down and saying – `don't
bring Ajoy Sir to your level or my level'. I am laughing out loud.
More I am debating with you, the more I am understanding about your
intellectual level.
[Sitangshu Guha] It's obvious that I live in a bi-polar world but
not as it was described by you or somebody else; rather it is
militant Islam & mankind. I belong to the second, where you belong?
Response : I have explained you repeatedly that I am against all
kind of fundamentalism. I am against all kinds of social injustices,
religious and oppressive dogmas, doctrines, and discriminations. I
have critiqued everything that hinders people's access to civil
liberty, freedom, democracy and secularism. I took a strong stand
against all kinds of human rights violations such as oppression of
ethnic/religious minority community and gender-based discriminations
against women and others, whereas you only see two domain -
'Islamism' and 'mankind'. You indeed live in a bipolar world.
That's why you would never see that there are a lot of atrocities
around the world besides islamic fundamentalism, which we should
protest, or at least should not overlook : such as-
- Gujarat Massacre. and Demolision of Babri Mosque.
- the genocide of North America.
- the death of 3 million Vietnamese.
- the ravaging of Africa
- the dispossession of the Palestinians
- the Killing in Kashmir
- Afghan and Iraq bombing
- Notorious supprt to the terrorist group by US in Latin America
etc.
May be the lives of these million people and million chidren is not
a matter to you. I am yet to learn how 1 million death occurred in
Iraq, or the three-four million dead in US supported Polpot regime,
or the hundreds and thousands dead in Latin America, or half a
million children who died in Iraq and Afghan due to sanctions or
bombing can be justified against 'Islamic fundamentalism'.
[Sitangshu Guha] Thank you. May be we will stop this episode.
[Response] Thanks.
Avijit
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