[ALOCHONA] Human Rights and Migration

Sir,

What the hell all this has to do with what I had written below in post that you are answering?

mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail.com> wrote:

I am in future going to address the claim of Mr. Turkman about Caliphs cutting off hands - but I will request him tot read Umayyad Caliphate in deatails first andtheir contribution in cherishing nobels in the society but I must also bring to his recollection that we are aware that the Britishers did cut off many of our fingers to wipe out Muslin clothing from our culture in order to nourish silk products. Read the manual of Victoria Memorial Hall. Please also note that it is the Royal Socoety of etc etc that the denied our Jagadish Chandra Bose of the rightful claim to radio and gralended Mr. Marconi.

Mufassil M M Islam
Human Rights Advocate

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To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:17:17 -0700
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Al Qaeda Manual?

Thank you Mr. Islam.

Here are a few of the Instructions in Al Qaeda Manual Book for its Sneak Attack Terrorists sent to 'Countries of Infidels' that was downloaded and being distributed in Moslim Students in U.K. for your kind perusal.  

 

You must have a Western Attire and behave like a Westerner once on a Mission to 'land of Infidels'.  

 

1. No Beards, Western Style Hair and Clothing only.

2. No going to Mosques or doing Prayers or Fasting.

3. Mix with Infidels until you achieve, what you want from them to accomplish the Mission.

4. Drinking Alcohol, Fornicating with their Females, Going to Night Clubs and Cabaret (totally nude female dance shows) is okay.

5. Do not carry Qoraan with you.

 

Should I continue on?

Its a very detailed Manual, teaching from how to fly by an Airline, land in a country, how to behave with Immigration Officers, how to rent a Motel Room, how to rent an Apartment, how to use Phone System to use of Credit Cards and Banks. Internet Mollaas claim CIA had published it and planted it in the cars that were driven by the 9/11 Hijackers to prove that they were from Al Qaeda but I don't think, an American can think of all those things that are detailed in that Manual.

mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Turkman:

I support your view in this.

Mufassil M M Islam

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To: alochona@yahoogroups.com

Oh so, its University's fault that it caught two of its Moslim people downloading Al Qaeda Manual for Terrorists in the Western Countries, made copies of it and were distributing those copies to Moslims?

 

University should have investigated them and not Police. Are you out of your mind sir?

I quote from the original post, ... 

 

" ... a police officer remarked that the incident would never have occurred if the persons involved had been "blond, Swedish PhD students" (the two men were of British-Pakistani and Algerian backgrounds respectively)".

 

Can this man tell us name of that Police Officer if he is not lying?

Has no Algerian or Pakistani Moslim been a Sneak Attack Terrorist?

How many Blond, Swedish Ph D. Students have been Sneak Attack Terrorists and have worked for any JehaaDi Organization?

I guess, new Definition for JehaaDi Moslims in the West is, "Who have no shame. Who back-stab, whoever's charity they are raised on".  


Kajimel Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@hotmail.com> wrote:

The root of all problems is there. The univisionists that Mr. Turkmen is dealing with don't care to listen, watch, check, verify or to know the reality of the truths, rather to believe and spread superficiality, having no reality or any merit for humanity. 

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To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net

Sir,

Alochona is one thing and spreading lies against a nation, where everybody's opinion is heard, everybody's free to say or do whatever he/she wants remaining with bounds of law and without spreading violence, even Gays and Lesbians are allowed to marry in some states. If your children are being told to keep their mouth shut in USA, they must be pretty obnouxious because mine are not and neither do I.

 

If our children are being told to shut up, how come one of our children is one of the 50 Governors of USA?

How come one of my cousins is Police Chief of a major city of USA?

How come Khaki, an Urdu Speaking Shiyah of a poor family from Karachi is Senior VP of Microsoft?

How come Safi Quraishi, an other Urdu Speaking of a poor family from Karachi could own AST Computer Company and still is worth a billion dollars?

There are dozens of such success stories and you think, our Moslims achieved all that because they were told to keep their mouths shut in USA? 

Aziz Huq <azizhuq@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Turkman:

I requested you not to lose your temper but to read what I wrote and reflect on it. This forum is supposed to be  "Alochona". How can you  engage in Alochona with a  person who  loses  temper and resort to indecent language. This will be my last posting on this. You are welcome to have the last word. 

Aziz Huq

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To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net

Sir,

I'm 61. Have lived in USA since 1973 and nobody has ever shut my mouth or my children's mouth because they are not Traitors of USA like most Moslims like to be doesn't matter how good they are being treated, what kind of great jobs they find and how much they prosper beyond their own dreams.

 

You started criticizing me without understanding, what I wrote. No country can tolerate subversive Terrorist Activity in the name of eqality, Freedom of Speech and Expression. If you don't like it, go back ...!

Nobody's is forcing you to stay in a rich advanced country that is not yours to start with. Is there something wrong with becoming civilized and not being a thankless idiot or its part of your Islam to keep hating others? 

Aziz Huq <azizhuq@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Turkman:

Your comment is smart but lacks sensitivity.

Bangladesh has many problems and lack of human rights is one of them. No Hindu migrates to Bangladesh in search of safety and prosperity. We have a long way to go before that becomes a reality.

But the UK and US and most western countries  boast of high standard of human rights and freedom. We have immigrated to  these countries in search of  opportunities and  freedom.  You will feel the pain when your children grow up in this country, go to the university but are forced to keep their mouth shut (like the Hindus do in Bangladesh).

As parents, we have to ensure that our children are not  misdirected to do any thing to harm the society we live in but  also ensure that  we leave behind a society which is free  for them to pursue  freedom of thought.

Please do not jump to criticize what I wrote but give some thoughts.

Aziz Huq

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To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net

We can't blame British for arresting those Moslim Students because if a Hindu Religious Terrorist Group was at war against Bangladesh and had published a Manual on how to commit acts of Terrorism in Bangladesh and some Hindu Indian student of Dhaka University had downloaded that Manual to distribute amongst Hindu Indian Students of Bangladesh, Bangladesh Police would have done the same.

 

I see, not infringement of Academic Freedom in U.K. in this case.

Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink.net> wrote:

Dear Friends

I'm writing to call your attention to a recent incident at the University of Nottingham, where a one of our Graduate Students at the School of Politics and International Relations and an administrative member of staff at the Department of Engineering were arrested by armed police under the Terrorism Act of 2000. Their alleged "crime" was that the! ! graduate student had downloaded an Al-Qaeda training manual from a US government website for research purposes, as he's writing his MA dissertation on Islamic extremism and international terrorist networks. He had then sent this to his friend in the Department of Engineering for printing. The printed material had been spotted by other staff and reported to the University authorities who passed on the information to the police. The two were then arrested by armed police on May 14 and held for six days without charge, before being released without charge on May 20. During the six days they were imprisoned, the men had their homes raided and their families harassed by the police. It is worth noticing that in talking to one of my colleagues, a police officer remarked that the incident would never have occurred if the persons involved had been "blonde, Swedish PhD students" (the two men were of British-Pakistani and Algerian backgrounds respectively).

The incident was recently reported in the Times Higher Education Supplement online:

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&storycode=402125&c=2

 

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