Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
I requested you to provide your analysis with facts and reasoning,
however, you preferred to express your one-eyed views only. Many
quarters might be involved in influencing Bangladesh politics. We
should discuss their roles and interests objectively instead of being
supportive to any specific one. Why are you trying to portray some
people as supporters of some agencies? I am a Bangladeshi (and you
are too, I suppose) and we should uphold the interest of the nation,
not of other countries. You mentioned about CIA, what about others
(e.g. RAW, MOSAD)? What do you think about them?
Constantly deviating from the point of discussion to another specific
one is a kind of intellectual bankruptcy. It reminds me of a famous
joke. A clever boy sat in exam. He memorised an essay on cows but
the question paper asked him to write an essay on a river. He
started. "There was a river. A cow was gazing on its bank. A cow
has two eyes ... "
How logical is it to make indecent remarks on someone on the ground
that people of the same party did something which was not decent? An
Awami League leader celebrated rape century in Jahangirnagar
University. Should it be reflected while EC makes remark on Sheikh
Hasina?
Regarding some Islamic parties position on registration in EC, you
know that it is not new in our politics to change their demands at
different stages of negotiations. Will you kindly mention what was
AL's position
Thanks.
Ahsan Mohammed
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "musasarkar" <m_musa92870@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Mr. Ahsan Mohammed,
>
> My problem was your exclusion of ISI, the worst of the foreign
> intelligence services in our area. To me that was not honesty.
That
> doesn't mean that I excluded the others. Especially how can I
exclude
> CIA who was involved in killing Bangabandhu and other top national
> leaders and installing army backed nationalist force in
Bangladesh? How
> can I ignore CIA's direct and indirect contribution in return and
> revival of war criminals in Bangladesh?
>
> If supporting lying and hypocrisy of people from Al Badr background
are
> part of your socio-cultural background, that I have noting to say.
And
> of course, you also can consider what these so-called pseudo-Islamic
> leaders did in 1971 as very decent, but to me they are just
savages.
> You live with your views and I have nothing to say.
>
> Best regards.
>
> Mohammad Musa Sarkar.
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000"
> <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
> >
> > I do not understand how you deduced that I read only right-wing
> > Bangladeshi newspapers? I have not quoted from any newspaper or
> > mentioned any piece of news. I have presented my own analysis of
> > some facts. If you have any difference of opinion about any
specific
> > point, please mention it. I also do not understand why you are
> > defending RAW, MOSAD and CIA. Other intelligence agencies might
also
> > be interested in BD politics. If you have any analysis about it,
> > please mention it with reasons. If you think that RAW, MOSAD and
CIA
> > has no interest in BD politics, please also provide your logic
behind
> > it.
> >
> > Decency and indecency varies from person to person and has
relation
> > with the socio-cultural background of someone. If you think that
> > CEC's remarks on some Islamic parties were decent, then it is your
> > view and I have nothing to say.
> >
> > Best regards.
> >
> > Ahsan Mohammed
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "musasarkar" m_musa92870@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Mr. Ahsan Mohammed,
> > >
> > > May be you are only reading the right-wing Bangladeshi
newpapers.
> > If
> > > you read the other papers, you will find more conspiracies. You
> > will
> > > find many who consider this current CTG as Jamaat's B team. This
> > CTG
> > > has been extraordinarily soft on Jamaat and other religious
> > fanatics and
> > > extremists. Look at the joke and circus regarding Al Badr co-
chief
> > > Mujahid's arrest. While people like you always smell RAW, MOSSAD
> > and
> > > CIA conspiracies, there are lot more people who smell CIA, ISI
and
> > > Wahabi conspiracies. It goes both ways.
> > >
> > > Your article in Naya Diganta presents only right-wing view
points
> > and it
> > > cannot be accepted as fair and balanced piece. ISI is one of the
> > top
> > > players in Indian subcontinent. They are behind many subversive
> > acts.
> > > They created Talibans and hence aided Al Qaeda. To leave them
out
> > from
> > > your equation strongly suggest, you are pushing right-wing
agenda.
> > You
> > > mentioned in your article that since BNP's leadership is trying
to
> > > negotiate with CTG, they didn't protest CEC's very indecent
> > > comments on the pseudo-Islamic partners of BNP. May be you can
> > teach us
> > > what kind of decent words the CEC should have used for their
> > outright
> > > lies. Let me make another very indecent and rude comment about
> > these
> > > mullahs - these mullahs actively and enthusiastically
participated
> > in
> > > all sorts of heinous war crimes in 1971. Regards-
> > >
> > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000"
> > > <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Alochok Ezajur,
> > > >
> > > > It is good to know that there are enlightened and powerful
elites
> > who
> > > > welcome conspiracies against their motherland apparently
because,
> > > >
> > > > “You can’t ensure clean candidates for the election.
> > > > You can’t ensure there won’t be any rioting or
> deaths at
> > > the election.
> > > > You can’t ensure clean MPs or clean Ministers.
> > > > You can’t ensure that family politics will be removed.
> > > > You can’t ensure that kickbacks from government contracts
> will
> > > be
> > > > spotted.
> > > > You can’t ensure a proper vision of Bangladesh by
> politicians.
> > > > You can’t ensure that politicians will refrain from rabble
> > > rousing.
> > > > You can’t ensure that MPs won’t financially benefit
> from
> > > crooked
> > > > manpower agents.â€
> > > >
> > > > Can Indians ensure the above-mentioned checklist? If they are
> > happy
> > > > with their spoiled democracy, then why aren’t we?
> > > >
> > > > How logical is it to welcome military rule or foreign
intervention
> > > > because democracy has not yet got sufficient time to
flourish? Who
> > > > ruled the country most of the time after its independence,
> > democratic
> > > > forces or military rulers with or without uniform?
> > > >
> > > > The notion that Americans and others can buy anything they
want
> > seems
> > > > to be an oversimplified assumption. If it were true, then the
> > world
> > > > would not have so many wars and troubles. Moreover, sometimes
> > buying
> > > > things might involve very high value. The more we welcome
> > > > conspiracies, the more we become ready to sell ourselves (not
> > > > personal, saying in general).
> > > >
> > > > Best regards.
> > > >
> > > > Ahsan Mohammed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Ezajur Rahman"
ezajur.rahman@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Alcohok Ahsan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is indeed very well written. But I am not remotely
bothered
> > by
> > > > > conspiracies.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In fact I welcome them.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't ensure clean candidates for the election.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't ensure there won't be any rioting or deaths at the
> > > > election.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't ensure clean MPs or clean Ministers.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't ensure that family politics will be removed.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't ensure that kickbacks from government contracts
will
> > be
> > > > > spotted.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't ensure a proper vision of Bangladesh by
politicians.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't ensure that politicians will refrain from rabble
> > rousing.
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't ensure that MPs won't financially benefit from
crooked
> > > > > manpower agents.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You can't ensure jack****.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But let's talk about how to stop foreign conspiracies! Woah!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bhai -
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It takes 3 ISI agents only to manage Pakistan's interests
> > > > Bangladesh.
> > > > >
> > > > > It takes 2 RAW agents only to manage India's interests in
> > > > Bangladesh.
> > > > >
> > > > > And it is just a wet dream that the Americans, Brits,
Chinese
> > etc
> > > > are
> > > > > working hard to subvert the elections.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why should they even bother? They can buy anything they
want...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The common masses cannot do anything until the common
masses can
> > > > > successfully demand real change in our politics.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The biggest conspiracy in Bangladesh is the perpetuation of
> > family
> > > > > politics by mid level AL and BNP supporters who just love to
> > pretend
> > > > > they are very flexible, agenda free, reasonable people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any conspiracy that undermines the election of Hasina and
> > Khaleda
> > > > and
> > > > > undermines the baboons of the AL and BNP central committees
is
> > > > welcome.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me know where I can make a donation...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We can't build a boat to carry 200 people safely in 2008
but we
> > sure
> > > > > kicked the 5th Fleet back to the USA back in 1971 didn't we!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nothing personal Ahsan - your piece was excellently
written. I'm
> > > > just
> > > > > ranting...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > >
> > > > > Kuwait
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Ahsan Mohammad vai
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Very well written analysis. Though there is no way of
knowing
> > for
> > > > sure
> > > > > that such incidents will take place, but many indications
are
> > > > pointing
> > > > > towards that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What can we, the common mass, do?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > regards
> > > > >
> > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:27 AM, alochona@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For a Better Bangladesh
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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> > > > >
> > > > > Upcoming conspiracies surrounding general election in
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> > > > > Mohammed
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> > > > > Posted by: "Ahsan Mohammed" ahsan_mohammed2000@
> > > > > <mailto:ahsan_mohammed2000@?Subject=%20Re%3AUpcoming%
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> > > > > cies%20surrounding%20general%20election%20in%20Bangladesh>
> > > > > ahsan_mohammed2000
> > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/ahsan_mohammed2000>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:13 pm (PDT)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Members,
> > > > >
> > > > > Although the Chief Advisor and other members of the interim
> > > > government
> > > > > are trying to ensure through their speeches that the general
> > > > election
> > > > > will be held in December 2008 and power will be handed over
to
> > the
> > > > > elected representatives of people, doubts and fears are
> > spreading
> > > > due to
> > > > > some activities of the ruling quarter. I tried to analyse
the
> > > > possible
> > > > > conspiracies and strategies of various players involved in
> > > > influencing
> > > > > Bangladesh politics in my article published in Daily Naya
> > Diganta
> > > > and is
> > > > > available at the following link:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/2008/10/13/fullnews.asp?
> > > > News_ID=108371&s
> > > > > ec=6
> > > > > <http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/2008/10/13/fullnews.asp?
> > > > News_ID=108371&
> > > > > sec=6>
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.sonarbangladesh.com/article.php?ID=336
> > > > > <http://www.sonarbangladesh.com/article.php?ID=336>
> > > > >
> > > > > I will highly appreciate if you kindly share your views on
this
> > > > issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ahsan Mohammed
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