Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
May I know what are the criteria of saying someone morally bankrupt?
Is it the inability to blindly support your political views?
I tried to provide some background in the article in discussion which
was relevant to the subject. Please go through it and let me know if
you disagree with any of its point. You can have a look at the
following article about involvements of RAW in Bangladesh politics:
http://www.sonarbangladesh.com/article.php?ID=344
You are again deviating from the subject. If you have any objection
about the ideology, methodology or practice about a political party
or a group of parties, then we can discuss it in a separate thread.
Why are you trying to mix everything?
I requested you to mention what were the stands of AL in various
times regarding participating in polls, ratifying everything of the
CTG etc.
I am still unclear why you did not mention anything about RAW?
Best regards.
Ahsan Mohammed
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "musasarkar" <m_musa92870@...> wrote:
>
>
> If a morally bankrupt person calls me intellectually bankrupt, I
take it
> as complement. Thank you. Why don't you provide us some facts
> (including dates) and reasoning what MOSAD did in Bangladesh since
you
> have case against them? As far as deviating from the subject, I
can
> accuse you of the same. You could not provide any justifications
for
> the lies and broken promises of those pseudo-Islamic parties to EC
> during their previous visits. Sorry I cannot call somebody Islamic
for
> hypocrisy. If they are like all the other non-religious political
> parties, why do they use Islam in pursuing their worldly goals?
Why do
> they deceive us with their outward religious appearances? I wanted
to
> say lying is very little sin compared to what these religious
frauds are
> capable of doing without any hesitation. Sorry that of type of
> accusation hurts you personally. I was not aware of that.
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000"
> <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
> >
> > I requested you to provide your analysis with facts and reasoning,
> > however, you preferred to express your one-eyed views only. Many
> > quarters might be involved in influencing Bangladesh politics. We
> > should discuss their roles and interests objectively instead of
being
> > supportive to any specific one. Why are you trying to portray some
> > people as supporters of some agencies? I am a Bangladeshi (and you
> > are too, I suppose) and we should uphold the interest of the
nation,
> > not of other countries. You mentioned about CIA, what about others
> > (e.g. RAW, MOSAD)? What do you think about them?
> >
> > Constantly deviating from the point of discussion to another
specific
> > one is a kind of intellectual bankruptcy. It reminds me of a
famous
> > joke. A clever boy sat in exam. He memorised an essay on cows but
> > the question paper asked him to write an essay on a river. He
> > started. "There was a river. A cow was gazing on its bank. A cow
> > has two eyes ... "
> >
> > How logical is it to make indecent remarks on someone on the
ground
> > that people of the same party did something which was not decent?
An
> > Awami League leader celebrated rape century in Jahangirnagar
> > University. Should it be reflected while EC makes remark on Sheikh
> > Hasina?
> >
> > Regarding some Islamic parties position on registration in EC, you
> > know that it is not new in our politics to change their demands at
> > different stages of negotiations. Will you kindly mention what was
> > AL's position
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Ahsan Mohammed
> >
> >
> > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "musasarkar" m_musa92870@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Mr. Ahsan Mohammed,
> > >
> > > My problem was your exclusion of ISI, the worst of the foreign
> > > intelligence services in our area. To me that was not honesty.
> > That
> > > doesn't mean that I excluded the others. Especially how can I
> > exclude
> > > CIA who was involved in killing Bangabandhu and other top
national
> > > leaders and installing army backed nationalist force in
> > Bangladesh? How
> > > can I ignore CIA's direct and indirect contribution in return
and
> > > revival of war criminals in Bangladesh?
> > >
> > > If supporting lying and hypocrisy of people from Al Badr
background
> > are
> > > part of your socio-cultural background, that I have noting to
say.
> > And
> > > of course, you also can consider what these so-called pseudo-
Islamic
> > > leaders did in 1971 as very decent, but to me they are just
> > savages.
> > > You live with your views and I have nothing to say.
> > >
> > > Best regards.
> > >
> > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar.
> > >
> > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000"
> > > <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Mr. Mohammad Musa Sarkar,
> > > >
> > > > I do not understand how you deduced that I read only right-
wing
> > > > Bangladeshi newspapers? I have not quoted from any newspaper
or
> > > > mentioned any piece of news. I have presented my own analysis
of
> > > > some facts. If you have any difference of opinion about any
> > specific
> > > > point, please mention it. I also do not understand why you are
> > > > defending RAW, MOSAD and CIA. Other intelligence agencies
might
> > also
> > > > be interested in BD politics. If you have any analysis about
it,
> > > > please mention it with reasons. If you think that RAW, MOSAD
and
> > CIA
> > > > has no interest in BD politics, please also provide your logic
> > behind
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > Decency and indecency varies from person to person and has
> > relation
> > > > with the socio-cultural background of someone. If you think
that
> > > > CEC's remarks on some Islamic parties were decent, then it is
your
> > > > view and I have nothing to say.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards.
> > > >
> > > > Ahsan Mohammed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "musasarkar" m_musa92870@
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr. Ahsan Mohammed,
> > > > >
> > > > > May be you are only reading the right-wing Bangladeshi
> > newpapers.
> > > > If
> > > > > you read the other papers, you will find more conspiracies.
You
> > > > will
> > > > > find many who consider this current CTG as Jamaat's B team.
This
> > > > CTG
> > > > > has been extraordinarily soft on Jamaat and other religious
> > > > fanatics and
> > > > > extremists. Look at the joke and circus regarding Al Badr
co-
> > chief
> > > > > Mujahid's arrest. While people like you always smell RAW,
MOSSAD
> > > > and
> > > > > CIA conspiracies, there are lot more people who smell CIA,
ISI
> > and
> > > > > Wahabi conspiracies. It goes both ways.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your article in Naya Diganta presents only right-wing view
> > points
> > > > and it
> > > > > cannot be accepted as fair and balanced piece. ISI is one
of the
> > > > top
> > > > > players in Indian subcontinent. They are behind many
subversive
> > > > acts.
> > > > > They created Talibans and hence aided Al Qaeda. To leave
them
> > out
> > > > from
> > > > > your equation strongly suggest, you are pushing right-wing
> > agenda.
> > > > You
> > > > > mentioned in your article that since BNP's leadership is
trying
> > to
> > > > > negotiate with CTG, they didn't protest CEC's very indecent
> > > > > comments on the pseudo-Islamic partners of BNP. May be you
can
> > > > teach us
> > > > > what kind of decent words the CEC should have used for their
> > > > outright
> > > > > lies. Let me make another very indecent and rude comment
about
> > > > these
> > > > > mullahs - these mullahs actively and enthusiastically
> > participated
> > > > in
> > > > > all sorts of heinous war crimes in 1971. Regards-
> > > > >
> > > > > Mohammad Musa Sarkar
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "ahsan_mohammed2000"
> > > > > <ahsan_mohammed2000@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Alochok Ezajur,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is good to know that there are enlightened and powerful
> > elites
> > > > who
> > > > > > welcome conspiracies against their motherland apparently
> > because,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “You can’t ensure clean candidates for the
> election.
> > > > > > You can’t ensure there won’t be any rioting or
> > > deaths at
> > > > > the election.
> > > > > > You can’t ensure clean MPs or clean Ministers.
> > > > > > You can’t ensure that family politics will be removed.
> > > > > > You can’t ensure that kickbacks from government
> contracts
> > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > spotted.
> > > > > > You can’t ensure a proper vision of Bangladesh by
> > > politicians.
> > > > > > You can’t ensure that politicians will refrain from
> rabble
> > > > > rousing.
> > > > > > You can’t ensure that MPs won’t financially
> benefit
> > > from
> > > > > crooked
> > > > > > manpower agents.â€
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can Indians ensure the above-mentioned checklist? If they
are
> > > > happy
> > > > > > with their spoiled democracy, then why aren’t we?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How logical is it to welcome military rule or foreign
> > intervention
> > > > > > because democracy has not yet got sufficient time to
> > flourish? Who
> > > > > > ruled the country most of the time after its independence,
> > > > democratic
> > > > > > forces or military rulers with or without uniform?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The notion that Americans and others can buy anything they
> > want
> > > > seems
> > > > > > to be an oversimplified assumption. If it were true, then
the
> > > > world
> > > > > > would not have so many wars and troubles. Moreover,
sometimes
> > > > buying
> > > > > > things might involve very high value. The more we welcome
> > > > > > conspiracies, the more we become ready to sell ourselves
(not
> > > > > > personal, saying in general).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ahsan Mohammed
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Ezajur Rahman"
> > ezajur.rahman@
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Alcohok Ahsan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is indeed very well written. But I am not remotely
> > bothered
> > > > by
> > > > > > > conspiracies.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In fact I welcome them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure clean candidates for the election.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure there won't be any rioting or deaths
at the
> > > > > > election.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure clean MPs or clean Ministers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure that family politics will be removed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure that kickbacks from government
contracts
> > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > > spotted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure a proper vision of Bangladesh by
> > politicians.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure that politicians will refrain from
rabble
> > > > rousing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure that MPs won't financially benefit from
> > crooked
> > > > > > > manpower agents.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You can't ensure jack****.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But let's talk about how to stop foreign conspiracies!
Woah!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bhai -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It takes 3 ISI agents only to manage Pakistan's
interests
> > > > > > Bangladesh.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It takes 2 RAW agents only to manage India's interests
in
> > > > > > Bangladesh.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And it is just a wet dream that the Americans, Brits,
> > Chinese
> > > > etc
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > working hard to subvert the elections.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why should they even bother? They can buy anything they
> > want...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The common masses cannot do anything until the common
> > masses can
> > > > > > > successfully demand real change in our politics.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The biggest conspiracy in Bangladesh is the
perpetuation of
> > > > family
> > > > > > > politics by mid level AL and BNP supporters who just
love to
> > > > pretend
> > > > > > > they are very flexible, agenda free, reasonable people.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any conspiracy that undermines the election of Hasina
and
> > > > Khaleda
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > undermines the baboons of the AL and BNP central
committees
> > is
> > > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me know where I can make a donation...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can't build a boat to carry 200 people safely in 2008
> > but we
> > > > sure
> > > > > > > kicked the 5th Fleet back to the USA back in 1971
didn't we!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nothing personal Ahsan - your piece was excellently
> > written. I'm
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > ranting...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ezajur Rahman
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kuwait
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Ahsan Mohammad vai
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Very well written analysis. Though there is no way of
> > knowing
> > > > for
> > > > > > sure
> > > > > > > that such incidents will take place, but many
indications
> > are
> > > > > > pointing
> > > > > > > towards that.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What can we, the common mass, do?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > regards
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:27 AM, alochona@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For a Better Bangladesh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
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> > > > > > > Upcoming conspiracies surrounding general election in
> > Bangladesh
> > > > > > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alochona/pending#1#1>
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> > > > > > > Posted by: "Ahsan Mohammed" ahsan_mohammed2000@
> > > > > > > <mailto:ahsan_mohammed2000@?Subject=%20Re%3AUpcoming%
> > 20conspira
> > > > > > > cies%20surrounding%20general%20election%20in%
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> > > > > > > ahsan_mohammed2000
> > > > <http://profiles.yahoo.com/ahsan_mohammed2000>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:13 pm (PDT)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Members,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Although the Chief Advisor and other members of the
interim
> > > > > > government
> > > > > > > are trying to ensure through their speeches that the
general
> > > > > > election
> > > > > > > will be held in December 2008 and power will be handed
over
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > elected representatives of people, doubts and fears are
> > > > spreading
> > > > > > due to
> > > > > > > some activities of the ruling quarter. I tried to
analyse
> > the
> > > > > > possible
> > > > > > > conspiracies and strategies of various players involved
in
> > > > > > influencing
> > > > > > > Bangladesh politics in my article published in Daily
Naya
> > > > Diganta
> > > > > > and is
> > > > > > > available at the following link:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/2008/10/13/fullnews.asp?
> > > > > > News_ID=108371&s
> > > > > > > ec=6
> > > > > > >
<http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/2008/10/13/fullnews.asp?
> > > > > > News_ID=108371&
> > > > > > > sec=6>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.sonarbangladesh.com/article.php?ID=336
> > > > > > > <http://www.sonarbangladesh.com/article.php?ID=336>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I will highly appreciate if you kindly share your views
on
> > this
> > > > > > issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ahsan Mohammed
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