Dear Alochok Ramzan
I too fully agree with Robin. And I fully agree with you too.
But just as you make allowances for all those around you, you can make allowances for the online community as well. I especially agree with your second point.
But it is the total lack of objectivity and truthfulness in our leaders, and the benefit of hindsight, that has brought us to this. There is no precedent for the factual, emperical or proven - and hence it is not easy to anticipate them. Nevertheless we should, as they say, give peace a chance.
In my opinion, if we are to survive as a nation, we should speak our mind freely and let those in power know that there is no comfort in having power.
You know - we say one thing in our homes and another thing in public. We say one thing to our friends and another thing online. There is an unwritten code - don't expose how bad the situation really is. And politicians have taken full advantage of it.
I support no party and have no special interest. AL and BNP are great parties, embodying our nation's political life, roots and themes. My only ineterest is that they become truly democratic and break free of the chains that bind them. That's my special interest.
And I can sneer and scoff and stir and sermonise and spit and subvert as well as Hasina and Khaleda. Don't pick on me when you won't pick on them.
We need a corp of women over 55 whose uniform is a white shuthi sari. We will train them in the arts of negotiated surrender of rebellion. And they will be an elite force - the Pirani Brigade. And RAW and ISI and JMB and Alimuddin Salimuddin will all tremble!
Coz we got da Pirani Brigade dude! Pirani Hasina, sent Pirani Sahara and was then going to send Pirani Motia. You gotta get turned on dude! They got more balls then most of the men in Parliament combined!
Sticks and stones may hurt our bones - but words will never hurt us.
By the way if we all start saying its a riot run amuck then thats what will be in the report.
I'm opening a whorehouse called Nethris in Old Dhaka. 50% discount for all politicians and activists. I'll rely on volume sales.
Peace brother.
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Ramzan Ali <shottyoshondho@...> wrote:
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> I fully agree with and second Mr Khundkar's ideas/proposal 100% -- to the letter. Although, I have my own theories, but unlike many here I hope I have the sanity and maturity to appreciate & recognize the difference between a personal opinion and objective truth, between mere theory/suspicion and fact, between preconcieved notions or beliefs based on pre-determined political leanings or adversity and objective truth, empirical evidence, etc. etc etc.
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> 1. Unfortunately, I think the inability to distinguish between objective fact and personal belief and the tendency to consider both as one and the same is our national character.
> 2. And also, to treat our own individual or narrow group interests, prejudices, fears and insecurities as of paramount importance and interest practically tantamount to absolute or only truth and reality -- at the total expense or detriment of everybody elses's interests and concerns leading to a high degree of intolerance, callousness, uncompromising attitude, blindness or a large mental blindspot, is another of our national characteristics.
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> The two above are the starting point of all the chaos here in Bangladesh, including the rivalry between the 2 major political parties and between various sections or segments of our society. The same attitude is also quite evident in this forum too!
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> In any case, if we want to survive as a nation and a democracy and overcome major crises like the present one, we need to change this character.
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> I think Mr Khundkar's observatons & suggestions in relation to the present situation provide a sane & practical direction.
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> Yes, I believe Justice Goldstone is a good suggestion -- both for the present crisis and the proposed War Crimes Tribunal or commision.
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> Regards,
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> Ali
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> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@...> wrote:
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> From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@...>
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Pls listen carefully & take decision.............
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 1:13 AM
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> Dear Mr Maruf
> You are not reading what I am saying. You are speaking like a politician and playing with words I did not say that we need to get a white person. I said we need an impartial investigation with someone heading the investigation who is unimpeachable reputation That is the crux of the issue. If we dont have someone at home or cannot agree on one then we should get one from outside.
> We have a disfunctional political culture and it is evident everywhere including in this forum with the nonsense that has been passing this way for the last several days. That is a fact If you want to keep your head in the sand like a ostrich then that is your prerogative.
> Why is nobody is interested in the truth? I find that absolutely mind-boggling! The truth is more important than our image. if the image is based on an illusion then it is exactly that. if the truth embarasses some people so be it. We can bear it!
> Everyone appears to be articulating motives and sinister plots based on their pre-determined political leanings or on dubious writings by anonymous authors. We cannot afford another ten years of chaos. If this is not handled fairly we are doomed to repeat the follys of the past.
> Lastly I dont pretend to have any of the answers nor do I have any power or influence to change anything. Actually I have no facts or data on my hand nor do I have cousins or friends in the know in Bangladesh.
> ! am just looking at the situation from a 50,000 feet level and none of the discussions so far (except for a precious few) have made any sense. The mutiny still looks to me like a riot run amuck during which some BDR malcontents (maybe be politicos) took oppurtunistic advantage and killed the officers.
> Robin Khundkar
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> From: maruf mahmud
> Sent: Mar 3, 2009 6:57 PM
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> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Pls listen carefully & take decision.... .........
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> Why do we need help from outsiders in every crisis? Is this an official policy of a certain political party officials and their supporters? What kind of example are we establishing for our young generation and what emage are we creating for ourselves to the world? Even the media runs to the white ambassadors with qestions on our internal matters. If we treat these entities like bongobondhu' s replica than we are not worthy of living in a free nation.
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> --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink .net> wrote:
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> From: Robin Khundkar <rkhundkar@earthlink .net>
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Re: Pls listen carefully & take decision.... .........
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 4:55 PM
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> Dear Ejaz - what are you talking about. You need to get a grip and hold your personal /prejudices & views on Hasina and Khaleda until this tragic event is played out.
> There is a lot of disinformation floating around. Wild speculations from RAW to ISI, allegations of corruption, to everything but the kitchen sink.
> It is is important that an elected govt & all future govts be allowed to serve out its term. You and I may not like dynastic politics or these two women. But there is nothing we can do about it. they have been elected by the people in a fair election as vouched by impartial observers. I dont believe in the politics of assination or forced removal. The former because it is immoral and the latter because it unproductive and makes things worse..
> I realize that Army''s emotions are naturally raw with such death and destruction. But they need to be prfessional and it is the responsibility of senor officers to calm their men. If they cant do it in times of crisis when are they going to do it.
> I am glad Sahara is out of the commission of inquiry but to reconstitute it with Army people, the same people who are going to look for absconding mutineers and also participate in summary trials is not a good idea and is fraught with danger for the country in the long term. it is like making them Judge Jury and Executioner.
> What we can do is insist on an impartial inquiry headed by people of unimpeachable reputation. if such people cannot found at home we can get them from abroad. Mary Robinson (Frmr UN Human rights Commissioner & President of Ireland) or Justice Goldstone of South Africa come to mind.
> I hope we come to a peaceful and just end to this crisis.
> We all need to do our bit!
> Robin
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ezajur
> Sent: Mar 3, 2009 3:40 PM
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> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Pls listen carefully & take decision.... ........
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> I heard the file from another source.
> If I had it I would send it.
> I have made my own mind up.
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> You can keep your Mujib's daughter because you are a half man.
> You can keep your Zia's wife because you are a half man.
> Mujib and Zia would spit on your manhood.
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> Send Sahara to bdr. send Motia. send any pirani you wantg. Send Hasina
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> Ony Bnagl;adesh woyld dsend Sahara.
> Only bangladesh. whata does it mean? as if our enemeies respect have
> any repsect for us. they send their agenst here for basic traiuning.
> Shove it.
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> Its no wonder our young girls think there are no real men around.
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> hell came on 25th. whatt he fck makes you think it left?
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> --- In alochona@yahoogroup s.com, Rakibuddin Khan <rakibkhan@ ..>
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> > Dear all,
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> > Please download the attachment. and also download amr player. Then,
> listen how the army officers has washed out Hasina.
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> > Thanks
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