Mr. Munshi is wrong because of the following facts. FACTS: 1. After freeing Bengalis of East Pakistan from clutches of Punjabi Pakistan, Bangladeshis have not been ruled by India like they were ruled by Pakistan. 2. India did not control Bangladeshis like Pakistan had. 3. India did impose any Governors or rulers on Bangladeshis like Pakistan had imposed her Governors ruling East Pakistanis as their virtual slaves. 4. ISI has been trying to take ontrol of Bangladesh for decades, not India. 5. ISI has been caught supplying Arms and Ammunition to Bangladeshi Religious Extremists and India has not been caught doing the same in Bangladesh. 6. India has no designs to make Bangladesh or Pakistan a part of India because she does not want population of Moslims in India to increase so much that she ends up facing a new problem of a 3rd Political Power made up Moslims since they would be controling votes of populations like 170 (Pakistan) + 166 (Bangladesh) + 148 (Moslims in India) = 484 million out of 1,464 million population of that India having 1/3rd of Voting Power like they had before the partition. The Reason is, such a Politcal Party would always be in the government because none of the 2 Political Party of Hindus would ever get a majority. CONCLUSION: People spreading hate against India and love of Pakistan work for ISI and they are Enemies of Bangladesh, not friends.
--- On Wed, 3/4/09, SAIF Davdas <islam1234@msn.com> wrote:
Mr.Abid Bahar> Rather than trying to disprove a remark—you are employing the philosophy of argumentum ad hominem. I was only pointing out the unjustified, unproven, and vindictive assertions of Munshi. You are engaging in defending erroneous reasoning of Munshi by employing the fallacy of To Quoque. I think, you and Munshi will engage in fallacious reasoning to draw our forums attention away from the real issue. All I ask is, why an intellectual from Bangladesh, will not write against those forces, who have done great harms to one's motherland? Why be selective? You cleverly write, "Mr. Munshi doesn't necessarily have to deal specifically with Bangladesh's outstanding issues with Pakistan in his book the India Doctrine". That is great. But that was not my question to you or Munshi. My question to you was, 'Did Munshi, as an outstanding scholar of our time—spent even one-day to investigate Pakistani atrocities in any book or article? Both you and Munshi have written to me---employing the technique of obfuscation by subterfusion. I hope, somebody on this forum will clearly see, who is confused here and who is trying very hard to conceal the truth and true intentions from the public. SaifDavDas
Mr. Davdas: In the name of seeking truth, you are "dragging a smelly fish across a trail to draw a hunting dog off the scent." In this you seem to be either confused/lost or supporting the "Indi Razakar's" distractions. In working with the themes of India Doctrine, Mr. Munshi doesn't necessarily have to deal specifically with Bangladesh's outstanding issues with Pakistan. Mr. Munshi in his capacity as a respectable and an outstanding scholar of our time is a specialist and dealing with the more pressing issues dealing with India-Bangladesh relations.
Friends>
A Certified India Hater--MBI Munshi—has started the creepy intellectual politics and the worst elements within Bangladeshi body politic i.e., the Pakistan Lovers, are savoring the kill as pack of Hyennas do. The ridiculous and completely unproven accusations, blatant shameless lie about India's involvement in the BDR massacre--proves beyond any reasonable doubt---your so-called unbiased intellectual honesty! If you possess incontrovertible proof of Indian involvement in BDR tragedy---forward it to us at Global Justice. I promise, I will take this up with the International Criminal Court at the Hague. Before you accuse me of being an India Lover--I would ask you to check my last 20 postings and you will see how brutally I attacked India and the Indians. Everybody on this forum knows, I am a seeker of Truth, and in my search, if I find Allah or Mohammed causing mischief---I hold them accountable. The bottom line on this is that you made some very serious accusations which you simply cannot back-up. You are disgraceful. You say, "Indians and Chinese are also member of Pakistani Defense Forum". So What? What does that prove? In America, we have Fox News. They have a Muslim, few Blacks, and couple of Vietnamese on their payroll. By dint of your logic, Fox news is not anti-Muslim, anti-Black, or anti-Arab!
You have thoroughly investigated Indian misdeeds in our part of the world. We appreciate your scholarly work . Remember Allah knows the intentions. You can lie to us. You can even lie to your God. But when you lie to yourself---Munshi you are finished. Now, tell us, did you investigate the murder, rape, pillage and division of our assets with Pakistan? You spent 3 years investigating Indian mischief---Did you spend 1 day, on the life and death issue of Bangladesh's Share from the Pakistan--after our Independence??? Whole Nation is waiting for the closure of this issue---Did you ever write anything against the Pakistanis? Will you or your proxy's simply address this issue to our forums satisfaction?
SaifDevdas
islam1234@msn.com
To: mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:03:33 +0000
Subject: [mukto-mona] Re:MBI Munshi and his Pakistan/ISI connection
Mr. MBI Munshi, you are trying to make your connection with Pakistan Defense Forum very innocent one but it is not. You are not a general member of Pakistan Defense Forum. Pakistan Defiance Forum, which runs by ISI, puts your membership as SENIOR MEMBER. Your involvement and contribution been awarded with the title of a Brigadier Geeral. Why Mr. Munshi? What you have done so good to defend Pakistan defense and its intelligence unit ISI to award you with prestigious rank of Brigadier?
I truly think your contribution on defending Pakistan is extraordinary (LA JAWAB). In less then two years with this forum from March 8th of 2007 your contributed Total Posts stands to 2,364 (TWO THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY FOUR), (MURHABA ZANAB) One can easily understand how much you care defending Pakistan and defaming its enemies which off course includes Bangladesh.
Your enlistment with Pakistan Defense will go into its second anniversary in SIX more days (March 8th of 2007 to March 8th of 2009). What will be your rank? Are they going to give you the rank of Major General or you will get double promotion and become Lieutenant General for your tireless contribution defend Pakistan defense?
MY REPLY -
I think I can now dispose of the absurdity of your claims. There are hundreds of Indian members of the Pakistan Defence Forum. India has fought 4 wars with Pakistan but not one of these Indians is accused of being an ISI agent or a sympathizer of Pakistan. Why are these Indian able to represent India on PDF but not a Bangladeshi represent his country on the forum? Many of these Indian members have posted in excess of 6000 posts and have achieved rank of Lt. Gen. on the forum simply on the basis of their posts. The same rules apply to me. I have posted in excess of 2000 posts so I am ranked as Brigadier. There is no favoritism or special consideration here. I think it exceedingly unfair that Indians can freely participate in this forum and criticize both Pakistan and Bangladesh but a Bangladeshi is unable to defend his country on the forum but is instead criticized for representing his national interest there. I think this shows the narrowness and unsoundness of your allegations.
As I have pointed out in my article `The BDR Mutiny – revenge for Padua and Boraibari" the attack on our soldiers in Pilkhana was an Indian operation and planned and executed by RAW. This is the issue that you are not facing but instead you are attacking me on frivolous and meaningless grounds to distract from intelligent discussion on the issues I have raised. The Indians have committed an atrocious and appalling act on Bangladesh and you still are able to defend them. This is a truly sad reflection on your integrity and state of mind.
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