[Anis, Check out Khabor Group-VM has condemned atrocities against Tribal-Also Mr Biswas gave audio interview which explains Adivasi situation. We appreciate that you are bringing this point-but VM is concerned for the Tribals-Moderator] *************************************************** **************************************************
Rahul/Biplob,
Here is another news that should make you think about your system:-----
Perhaphs you should send Taslima to add some flavour to it:--
Dear All:
"Shocking pictures of a tribal woman being stripped and assaulted in India's north-eastern state of Assam have caused widespread outrage." BBC News.
Why our great Human Rights activists have kept their eyes blind, mouths shut, and stopped writing when Assamese Adivasi women were stripped to naked, physically violated and beaten up by the civilized mob in India on last Saturday, 11/24/07?
When the news about the judgment on a rape case in Saudi Arabia came out in the world media, our these intellectual activists started shouting and blaming immediately (within hours) via various e-groups pointing "Sharia Laws" of Islam and the Saudi Judicial systems as the roots of all inhumanities and injustices.
While the heinous incident took place in Assam, India three days ago and the news came out in the world media on Sunday (two days ago) none of them (HR activists) has posted any e-mail condemning the barbarous atrocities of the civilized people and governments of India.
These victims are the poorest among all ordinary citizens of India, even untouchables by other casts. So called democratic minded people of India never allow these Adivasis to sit or eat with them other than exploiting their (Adivasis) manual labors. Often literate men cum masters from higher casts (classes) use Adivasi women for their enjoyments.
Please go to the following linkages for detail information on the shocking facts:
Also go to the following to linkage to view the brutal activities of the so-called civilized people in India:
Thanks,
Anis Ahmed
North Potomac, Maryland
Rahul Guha <rahulguha@responze.com> wrote:
Again please, excuse me from these type of irrelevant discussion. Badrul Saheb, please delete my email address when you write such ellaborate emails with no values.If you are trying to prove islam is better than hindu ... and if you feel good by doing so ... please think that way.If you feel good by attacking Biplab personally ... please go ahead and I am sure Biplab knows how to ignore those.But by reading your such strong reaction - full of inconsistancy ... now I have some concerns about you ... are you okay?I have nothing but pity for you ... but still as VM editor, inviting you to write on Taslima issue, and based on merit it will be published in the same page and will remain as a document for thousands of people to witness. Please write with similar flair ... preferably in Bangla and send it to me.ThanksRahul
On 12/3/07, Badrul Islam <badrul_islam2001@yahoo.com> wrote:Biplab Pal Babu,I didnt have information of Taslima using Hindu verse and I admit that I didnt read all your materials against Hinduism; thats a waste of time for Hinduism and caste system that exists in Indian society will continue to stay and be practised both in India and abroad- nothing will change that. You have yourself admitted that in your statement below;"No Hindu cares".Thats the reality."Pal" is an outcast for Brahmins and will remain so. So whether you write or others do-as many articles as possible the effect will be zero.Ram Mohann, Vidyasagar,Sawmi Vivekananda and Dayananda--all these names and some of their moral stories are known to me-- but as a declared aethist in your U-tube- you are not qualified to follow their sermons or way of life and they ,if still alive, they would have been horified to mark the similarity of yours with that of Taslima- birds of the same feather flock together.Hindutava and intolerance is not a reaction of Islamist- it is a direct result, first from your system, namely caste , sati, and the boli ; hopefully two, -sati and boli systems, are non-existent now as a result of education and moral teachings of the above three and Gandhi and western influence and interference.Secondly, due to undemocratic as well as corrupt political environment, violence,hatred and greed is wide spread in the Indian society--presently ofcourse this is prevalent in most countries including Bangladesh.Thirdly there are presence of Fanatics in all societies; Fanatics who claim that their god has appeared in their dreams and said," go ahead and destroy /kill " or profess that solutions lies in Violence- riotings and or war.The basic tenets of all religion is against all such "Fanatics or Corrupt" person-- so the criticism should be directed to those classified persons who as a result of his lack of proper understanding of his religion, and human values is the root cause of evil in the society and he should be dealt in accordance to then law of the Country. Society has the responsibility to draw his/hers attention to their wrong doings and shouldnt be supporting them blindly.The examples of Tony Blair and John Howard is a proof. Bush is also facing credible crisis.Citizens are now awakened in those countries.If you read Bengali literature -Sharat Chandra Chattopadya- Bonkim Chandra etc any fool would understand the social discrepencies particularly agaist women. You dont need the vulgar language of Taslima and Salman Rushdie and their likes to understand it--those who wish to choose to do so are free but people of the society would classify them as the likes of these poor, downtrodden social creatures--- and Biplab Pal you often use their foul style to answer people as is noticed in the forum.Biplab, the people who support Taslima and Salman Rusdie, and I believe there is another two more in the world( I have heard informally) would probably accept you as replacement for writing against Islam- and if that is your goal it would be sad indeed.Let me conclude, by mentioning one reality Muslims are rudely shocked about the incident of 9/11. Many have tried to proove it otherwise and under this excuse have tried their best to wipe out the religion and ridicule the verses of the Holy Quran but have failed miserably. In the process many countries have been destroyed and innocent human lifes sacrificed- this CRY from the innocent humans have reached to their Creator.Biplab you are at liberty to, in the guise of Aethists, continue to do" Islam bashing" as you have openly declared that it is" ISLAM that is your enemy"-and perhaps that was your main point of qualification for entry to USA too-- but in the process you are wasting your talents and c iting bad examples to your wife and children-- the son mostly replicates the father- he will learn too. Great going for you and your family--atleast the process of earning dollars is assured.Cheers , Biplab -way to go.Badrul IslamMr Islam:(1) You have questioned me what I would do, if Taslima starts writing against Hinduism.You need to be bit more informed here. Taslima did expose Hindu verses against women in her writing. No Hindu cares because RamMohan, Vidyasagar, Vivekanda, Dayananda have been reforming this religion for last two hundred years-and Hindus are familiar with reform movement. It is only after the rise of Hinduvta, which is a reaction against Islamism, intolerance in Hinduism is growing.In 1993, I wrote a feminist drama solely based on Taslima's exposure of Hinduism against women. It was meant for IIT student activists in village area of Midnapore. I transformed Taslima's prose into poetry in the drama. It was acted by two talented women-Esha and Mohua. Then they were students of 1st year in IIT Kharagpur and now they are professor in reputed universities in USA. Both strongly felt, Taslima expressed their words of pain which otherwise they would have never spoken out in a male dominated society. So, I keep hearing this crap that Taslima is doing it for her own promotion--bu other side of the rude truth is--she is speaking the pent-up cries of women. When I hear such sentence about Taslima from a male voice, all I can say, let him be reborn as woman in our society and feel the torture/oppression--and then speak about it.[2] Thank you for your advice to write against Hinduism. I have a question: Find another writer who writes even 10% of what I write against Hinduism in the net. I don't know of anybody who wrote more articles/blogs than me on evil of Hinduism in last three years.All I can say, you are very ill informed about Taslima and me. I am open to advice and suggestion--but the advisor must be better informed than me on that matter. Next time, you throw up advice, please do some basic research first.BiplabEditorDr.Biplab Pal,You have already in you U--tube dopcumentary declared openly and bodly that you are aethist.Therefore Religion/or Religious matter should be your least concern and I am confident that Rahul Guha are in the same category as you. What you and Rahul as good Indians should be doing is raise awareness of the defects of your won society. The story herein forwarded should encourage you both on this matter before you go on to try to set others. Taslima is a politcal issue as you have guessed in your comments indicated within the brackets.Taslima and Salman Rushdie andn there are and would be many more who earn their living in this style-- tomorrow they will change and can write against the Hindu religions too-- depends on how much money is paid for their stunts that helps politicians purpose--after a while they will be useless and another new Taslima and Rushdie will replace them. Its a sad profession they have choosen for themselves but they as you have right to choose and face their problems.The crowd that jolted Kolkatta comprised of people who had combination of long/short beard n caps and dress that would make them look like Islamist and even would be having names like Islamist--- whenever a villian is shown in Indian picture he is dressed as such and obviously named Akbar-- the good guys are the Aamar and Anthony (now a days even Anthony also remains under attack in India). You know it and so does Rahul.What seems to be justified is for you and Rahul to be aware of you own defects as can be seen by the story herein and rectify your own first. Here is the reality:----A pink crusade for justice
The several hundred vigilante women of India's northern Uttar Pradesh state's Banda area proudly call themselves the "gulabi gang" (pink gang) and are striking fear in the hearts of wrongdoers and earning the grudging respect of officials.
The pink women of Banda shun political parties and NGOs because, in the words of their feisty leader, Sampat Pal Devi, "they are always looking for kickbacks when they offer to fund us".
Two years after they gave themselves a name and an attire, the pink women have thrashed men who have abandoned or beaten their wives and unearthed corruption in the distribution of food grains for the poor.
They have also stormed a police station and thrashed a policeman after they took in an untouchable man and refused to register a case.
Justice for the poorest
"Nobody comes to our help in these parts. The officials and the police are corrupt and anti-poor. So sometimes we have to take the law in our hands. At other times, we prefer to shame the wrongdoers," says Sampat Pal Devi, between teaching a "gang" member on how to use a lathi (traditional Indian stick) in self defence.
Banda is at the heart of the blighted region that is Bundelkhand, one of the poorest parts of one of India's most populous states.
It is one of the poorest 200 districts in India which were first targeted for the federal government's massive jobs for work programme. Over 20% of its 1.6 million people living in 600 villages are lower castes or untouchables. Drought has parched its already arid, single-crop lands.
To make matters worse, women bear the brunt of poverty and discrimination in Banda's highly caste-ridden, feudalistic and male dominated society. Dowry demands, domestic and sexual violence are common.
Locals say it is not surprising that a women's vigilante group has sprung up in this landscape of poverty, discrimination and chauvinism.
Sampat Pal Devi is a wiry woman, wife of an ice cream vendor, mother of five children, and a former government health worker who has birthed and led the "pink gang".
"Mind you," she says, "we are not a gang in the usual sense of the term. We are a gang for justice."
'Uproot the corrupt'
Her seeds of rebellion were sown very early on when in face of her parents' resistance to send her to school, she began writing and drawing on the walls, floors, and dust caked village streets.
She finally ended up going to school, but was married off when she was nine in a region where child marriages are common. At 12, she went to live with her husband, and at 13, she had her first child.
To keep the home fires burning, Sampat Devi began to work as a government health worker, but she quit after a while because her job was not satisfying enough.
I wanted to work for the people, not for myself alone. I was already holding meetings with people, networking with women who were ready to fight for a cause, and was ready with a group of women two years ago," she says.
Sitting outside a home in Attara, Sampat Devi waves her calloused hands, breaks into a rousing song to "uproot the corrupt and be self reliant", and animatedly talks to women - and men - who flock to her with their problems.
'No handouts'
The pink sorority is not exactly a group of male-bashing feminists - they claim they have returned 11 girls who were thrown out of their homes to their spouses because "women need men to live with".
That is also why men like Jai Prakash Shivhari join the "gulabi" gang and talk with remarkable alacrity about child marriages, dowry deaths, depleting water resources, farm subsidies, and how funds are being stolen in government works.
"We don't want donations or handouts. We don't want appeasement or affirmative action. Give us work, pay us proper wages, and restore our dignity," he says.
The women in the "gulabi gang" echo the same sentiment - but Sampat Devi has a separate agenda for women.
"Village society in India is loaded against women. It refuses to educate them, marries them off too early, barters them for money. Village women need to study and become independent to sort it out themselves," she says.
Where do the pink women go from here?
They already claimed to have done some work in combating crime and corruption in the area. Last year, Sampat Devi contested the state polls as an independent candidate and mustered only 2,800 votes.
"Joining politics is not my chosen way to help people. We will keep up our good work, so the state does not take us for granted," she says.
In the badlands of Uttar Pradesh where nothing seems to work for the poor, this itself is a laudable aim.
Source: Chattisgarh.net"Nijer khuti shokhto koro." - look at NDTV and other Indian channels for local news and you would find umteen number of human casualties inspite of devoted Indians within the country.Take care and remain well. Say hello to Rahul too and let him know my advise.This forumm is for exchange of ideas and good advise- I have done just that.Kobi Guru Rabindronath bloegeche-- "Sath koti manush ke Bangali korecho, hey Probu Manush to koro ni."Badrul Islam
Dr Biplab Pal <biplabpal2000@yahoo.com> wrote:We will be soon publishing a special issue on Taslima ( Rahul Guha as edior: rahul.guha@gmail.com)She is not just a writer but an icon of secularism and human right.Her case is the litmus test of whether Bengalis will be able to defeat the evil force of Islamism. Unless you raise your voice and millions of protests be heard to shake the Islamist protector rulers of West Bengal ( may be worst-because it is high possible they might have planned this violence to win minority vote bank in la Jamati style and divert Nandigram issue), we deserve no secularism but a society captive in the hand of Islamists.Choice is yours. If you feel strongly for Taslima and her cause, this is not the time to seat back and think and watch what would happen next. History demands that you must take active participation in this process or be prepared to be kicked out by the Islamists in near future. Article, recorded voice, video--all forms of media are welcome. Please also circulate this email among your friends who want to protest in the Taslima issue. Millions and millions of voice must be heard in support of Taslima--or be ready to live a life of doom-- captivated by the Islamists.ThanksBiplab Pal
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