[vinnomot] Islam needs Reformation?

1. Slavery:

 

a) Qur'an 9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

 

b) Qur'an 47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."

 

2. Voluptuous Hooris:

 

a) Quran-(52:17-20): "They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Huris (fair females) with wide lovely eyes." "There they shall pass from hand to hand a (wine) cup, free from any Laghw…."
b) Quran: (37:40-48): …they will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.
c) Quran: (44:51-55): Yes and we shall wed them to dark-eyed houris (beautiful virgins).
d) Quran: (55:56-57):  In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny?
e) Quran-(55:72): "Hur (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions;"
f) Quran: (78:31-32):  "As for the righteous, they surely triumph. Their gardens and vineyards and high-bosomed (pointed breast) virgins for companions, truly overflowing cup"
g) Quran-(78: 33-34):"And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age, and a full cup of wine."
h) Quran-(55:57-58): "Then which of the blessings of your lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (In beauty) they are like rubies and coral".
i) Quran-(56:34-37): " …we created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand…."

j) Quran-(55:70-77):  " In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair….dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man or Jinn have touched before…"

k) Quran-56:22: "And (there will be) Huris with wide, lovely eyes (as wives for the pious)"

l) Quran-(56: 35-36): "Verily , We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them Virgins."
m) Quran- (55:56): "Wherein both will be Qasirat-ut-Tarf (chaste females restraining their glances, desiring none except their husband) with whom no man or jinni has had tamth before them."
n) Quran: (2:25):  "And give glad tidings to those who believe and do righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise)……….and they will be given these things in resemblance (i.e., in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have therein Azwajun Muhtahharatun (purified mates and wives) and that they will have abide therein forever".

o) Quran:(47:15): "The description of Paradise which the Muttaqun have been promised (is that) in it are rivers of water the taste and smell of which are not changed, rivers of milk of which the taste never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of clarified honey………."

3. Killing of Infidels or JehaaD

 

a) Qur'an 9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."

Koran 9:5-6 "Kill those who join other gods wherever you may find them."

b) Qur'an 9:5 "Fight and kill thedisbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

c) Qur'an 9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."

d) Quran 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Protection Money with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.

e) Qur'an 8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."

f) Qur'an 8:39 "So fight them until there is no more FiTnah (disbelief) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the world)."

g) Qur'an 9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."

h) Qur'an 9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."

i) Qur'an 9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."

j) Qur'an 48:16 "Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: 'You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture."

k) Qur'an 48:22 "If the unbelieving infidels fight against you, they will retreat. (Such has been) the practice (approved) of Allah in the past: no change will you find in the ways of Allah."

l) Qur'an 47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."

m) Qur'an 47:31 "And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters."

n) Qur'an 9:19 "Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah's Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah."

o) Qur'an 5:94 "Believers, Allah will make a test for you in the form of a little game in which you reach out for your lances. Any who fails this test will have a grievous punishment."

p) Qur'an 2:193 "Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers."
q) Qur'an 2:217 "They question you concerning fighting in the sacred month. Say: 'Fighting therein is a grave (matter); but to prevent access to Allah, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, to expel its members, and polytheism are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they make you renegades from your religion. If any of you turn back and die in unbelief, your works will be lost and you will go to Hell. Surely those who believe and leave their homes to fight in Allah's Cause have the hope of Allah's mercy."
r) Qur'an 2:193 "Fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief) and religion is only for Allah. But if they cease/desist, let there be no hostility except against infidel disbelievers."
s) Qur'an 2:244 "Fight in Allah's Cause, and know that Allah hears and knows all (the result of war)."
t) Qur'an 2:246 "He said: 'Would you refrain from fighting if fighting were prescribed for you?' They said: 'How could we refuse to fight in Allah's Cause?'"
u) Qur'an 61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
v) Qur'an 3:146 "How many prophets fought in Allah's Cause? With them (fought) myriads of godly men who were slain. They never lost heart if they met with disaster in Allah's Cause, nor did they weaken nor give in. Allah loves those who are firm and steadfast [warriors]."
w) Qur'an 3:153 "Behold! You ran off precipitately, climbing up the high hill without even casting a side glance at anyone, while the Messenger in your rear is calling you from your rear, urging you to fight. Allah gave you one distress after another by way of requital, to teach you not to grieve for the booty that had escaped you and for (the ill) that had befallen you."
x)_Qur'an 3:154 "Say: 'Even if you had remained in your houses, those ordained to be slaughtered would have gone forth to the places where they were to slain."

y) Qur'an 61:4 "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause."

z) Qur'an 61:11 "Come to believe in Allah and His Apostle and struggle (fight) in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and person. This will be good for you…. Allah will give you an early victory."

aa) Qur'an 8:5 "Your Lord ordered you out of your homes to fight for the true cause, even though some Muslims disliked it, and were averse (to fighting)."

ab) Qur'an 24:53 "They swear their strongest oaths saying that if only you would command them. They would leave their homes (and go forth fighting in Allah's Cause). Say: 'Swear not; Obedience is (more) reasonable.'"

ac) Qur'an 4:74 "Let those who fight in Allah's Cause sell this world's life for the hereafter. To him who fights in Allah's Cause, whether he is slain or victorious, We shall give him a reward." .. Quran 47:4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Then grant them their freedom or take ransom from them, until War shall lay down her burdens

ad) Qur'an 4:75 "What reason have you that you should not fight in Allah's Cause?" [Another translation says:] "What is wrong with you that you do not fight for Allah?"

ae) Qur'an 4:76 "Those who believe fight in the Cause of Allah."
af) Qur'an 4:77 "Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: 'Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?'"
ag) Qur'an 4:78 "Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers strong and high! So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?"
ah) Qur'an 4:84 "Then fight in Allah's Cause. Incite the believers to fight (along) with you."

ai) Quran 8:12 Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

aj) Quran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their Home: an evil fate..

Harshness in Jehad.

Qur'an 9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."

 

Sneak Attack Terrorism

Qur'an 9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

 

Chasing the Enemy

Qur'an 4:104 "And do not relent in pursuing the enemy."

 

4. Conquering lands (or countries) of Infidels 

 

 a) Allah gradually reduces the land under the control of the unbelievers from its outlying borders...13:41

Ibn Kathir writes that this verse refers to Muslims gaining the upper hand over idolaters. If we though that Allah is merciful to the Christians and the Jews, we are wrong. The Qur'an treats the Jews and the Christians as idolaters.

Islamic freedom of expression means the right to call the infidels dogs and beasts.

c) "Those who reject faith (non Muslims) are like panting dogs; preaching to them is a waste of time…" 7:176 Qoraan.

d) "Those who reject the Qur'an, wrong themselves; they are evils" (their example is that of a dog—ibn Abbas)…7:177 Qoraan.

e) "The unbelievers are the worst beasts (or worst animals) in the eyes of Allah…" 8:55 Qoraan.

 

5. Wife Beatings

 

a) Quran 4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) BEAT THEM; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).

b) Quran 2:223: Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate). So go to your tilth as ye will...

(Al Hadis, Vol. 1, p. 215) Omar reported from the Holy Prophet who said, "No man shall be questioned for beating his wife." In the very next Hadith a woman complained to Mohammed that her husband beat her while she prayed. Mohammed told her to change her time of prayer or pray shorter prayers so that her husband could get on with the joy of beating her. (Reported by Abu Sayeed al-Kodri, Attest by Abu Daud)

(Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 172, No. 34) Ali reported that the Apostle of Allah said, "There is in Paradise a market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, he will have intercourse with them."

c) Quran 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."   

"A woman must service her husband at Will". Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 121 & 122

"Women are intellectually and religiously inferior to men". Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301
"Women are inherently crooked". Muslim, Book 8, Number 3466,3467 & 3468
"Majority of Women will be in fire (ub Hell)". Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 124
"Evil Omen is in the women". Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 30:
"Don't marry women who do not give birth to children". Abu Dawud , Chapter 670 , Hadith number 2045
"When the biers of men and women are placed together for prayer , men should be
placed first near Imam and then women". Abu Dawud Chapter 1185 , Hadith Number 3187.

6. Money Extortion from Non Moslims in Moslim Lands called 'Jiziyah'

 

Quran 9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Protection Money with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued.

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Now please let me know, how many of these verses are you going to declare not translated correctly? 

MikeGhouse@aol.com wrote:

Dear Turkman,

 

I hope you really have those verses that you think are not kosher. I have embarked on addressing 60 some verses that have been deliberately mis-translated by the Neocons as well as the Muslims. It is time we face and address them. finding the truth is one's own responsibility.

 

Please send me those verse with the verse # and Sura, I will find answers for you insha allah.

 

Check this out if you are interested in knowing the truth. there are about 10 pieces addressing precisely what you may have been led to believe otherwise.

 

If you are serious, I am serious and is willing to spend the time to clear up misunderstandings.

 

http://www.foundationforpluralism.com/Quraan/Quraan-information.asp

 

Reform Qur'aan or understand it right? http://www.foundationforpluralism.com/Quraan/Reform-Quraan-or-understand-it.asp

 

Mike Ghouse

www.worldMuslimCongress.com

 

In a message dated 2/29/2008 6:32:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, turkman@sbcglobal.net writes:

 

My Nieces didn't like mention of Houris more than a dozen times in Qoraan either. They thought it was too embarrassing. I had won 2nd Prize in an all Pakistan Essay Contest, when Bangladesh used to be East Pakistan. That Contest was for Kids under 14 and I was 13 at that time.

 

As a good Essay Writer at a young age, when I finished Qoraan, I had serious doubts, it was written by Allah almighty because there were too many repetitions in it, too many embarrassing Verses and other problems. I thought, not on that subject, but I could write a better book than Qoraan. Then, I was told, "Don't read it as a book genius. Read it as compilation of Essays and Articles for Bedouin Savages of 7th Century because that's what it is". 

 

I think, verses mentioning the following should be taken out of Qoraan:

 

1. Slavery.

2. Voluptuous Hooris (because it doesn't explain, what would women get if they die fighting against Infidels. Would they be getting big Muscular Black African Studs since men are getting White Hooris?)

3. Killing of Infidels or JehaaD.

4. Conquering lands (or countries) of Infidels (because its not practical anymore).

5. Wife Beatings.

6. Protection Money from Non Moslims in Moslim Lands called 'Jiziyah' now but clearly mentioned as Protection Money in Qoraan.

 

The Pakistani Boss of a Foreign Airline had said in his published interview, "14 Secret and Non Secret Agencies and Departments extort Protection Money in shape of 2 round trip Airline Tickets to anywhere in the world every year or want equvalent amount in cash but still my offices are being robbed and I have no Protection. I had even hired the Armed Security Guards of a company that is owned by a retired General. My Airline Crew is harrassed at the Airport. They have been robbed and Female Flight Attendents have been Gang Raped in their Hotel Rooms and it never got to be published in Pakistani Newspapers". He was promptly assassinated after issuing this statement. Allaho Akbar ...!

All Enemies of Fort of Islam, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan deserve that.

 

Later, all major Foreign Airlines had stopped flying to Pakistan and had closed down their offices after Pakistan had rejected the complaint that a few times Medium Range Missiles were being test-fired or just fired too close to their Airliners in flight. Pakistan had claimed it never happened. I don't think, still you can fly to Pakistan on a major Airline of the world.

 

West is being accused by Moslims of spreading false propaganda against Moslims continousely but all this was never put in Western Media. Sure, because all of this was lies anyway. Allaho Akbar ...! ... We won ...!  ... Allah is behind us. Death to Enemies of Islam, who stop us from collecting Protection Money mentioned in Qoraan from them by closing-down their Businesses in Fort of Islam, Islamic Republic of Pakistan and ending our Gang-Raping of their Flight Attendent Slut daughters ...! 

  
Syed Mirza <mirza.syed@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, finally Muslims need to do what they never needed to do for 1400 years. Now that Islamic critics (Enemies of Allah (SWT)) pointing their fingers to Hadiths for all the Islamic vices; Muslims should work hard to change or sanitize all the thousands of Sahi hadiths to save purity of Islam. Problem is will any mullahs or real muslims, I mean those fanatic terrorists agree with this idea? Besides, what they are going to do when these Islamic critics start pointing their fingers to Koran also? What we are going to do with all the hundreds of hateful and kaffir killing verses and verses that permits sex with slave girls etc?

Are we going to discard entire blanket instead of sorting some bad hairs?

 

SKM

 

On 2/29/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Bashir Abid <bashiraabid@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mohammed Farooq aaqib98@yahoo.com

 

It is high time to review and correct all ahadith in order to put Allah's vision and purpose of creation of this universe into right direction

A very good move in the right direction to reform, revise and reprint the whole ahadith structure since most of the ahadith already contaminated with various fabrication and corruption, definitely introduced or injected by anti islam elements to keep us away from Quranic guidance, delivered to all human beings by ALLAH, the supreme commander of this universe, thro' His Messenger (saw) and it is the most safe and protected book.

BUT while doing so one has to be very carefull in handling this issue so that further recurrences of mistakes, what existing right now should not be prevailed at all. Any hadith or ahadith contradicting with Quran should be treated as rubbish so the formula is very clear any hadith or ahadith should go in line with Quran not against it.

It is also suggested to invite high caliber scholars and personalities and offcourse scientist the knowers of nature as proclaimed by one of the greatest scholar, scientist, reformer of 20th century Hazrath Allama Mashriqi. Please read the following articles with due care and attention and I hope it will definitely give light to the ahadith reformers.
MAN TO DEVELOP AS ONE NATION
By (Late) Allama Mashriqi
(This article appeared as a Foreword to a book on Islamic Jurisprudence, published in early 1954)

The law of the Quran in the capacity of Divine Message to Mankind is perfectly universal and applicable to all nations. It knows no racial, geographical or religious bounds as it applies to the whole of Human species. How do Human nations rise to power and through what delinquency in their efforts they fall and are wiped out of the face of the earthâ€"this as a matter of fact is the essence of a part of the whole teaching of the Quran. "Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian rather he was a downright acceptor of commands: (hanifan Musliman) (3:67) Shows that the Quran does not accept the theory of Prophets having come down on earth for the purpose of instituting 'religions' or sects, nor did they come to divide man. "Human beings are one people" and "for this very purpose, God created them." (wa li zalika khalaqahum) (11:119) Show that the intention of nature is to make Man develop as One Nation, in fact develop in exactly the same way
as millions of other species of lower beings have evolved into higher beings. "God made the Prophets appear (on earth) as Givers of Good News (of becoming stable and powerful) and deliverers of Bad news (of destruction and national fall): (Mubashirin wa Munzirin) (2:213), but "Human beings, through revolt among themselves cut themselves up into pieces even after this (superb) knowledge came to them (through Prophets)." (3:19) Thus Quran is radically against Man being split up into sections on religious, racial, geographical or any other basis. "Those who differentiate between the various Prophets and say we believe in some and disbelieve in others are TRUE INFIDELS." (4:151) Is the final verdict of the Quran with respect to the attitude of Man towards his fellow-beings. At other places the Quran declares: "We sent our Prophets to every Nation, every colony and every people." (13:7) etc., and the expression "true infidels" is not used
elsewhere in the whole of the Quran. "We created you out of one father and one mother and made you groups and families in order that you may recognise each other; only they are the most honored (with Us) amongst you who are most mindful (of the law of God)." (49:13) This is the position of Man according to the Quran and that is why the Quran is called "a warning to all the Worlds (Zikrun lil alameen)" (12:104) and the Prophet is styled: "a blessing to all the Worlds" (Rahmat ul lilalameen) (21:107).

Under these premises of the Quran it is absurd to think that the Quran or the Prophet of Islam created a sect of 'Muhammadans' like what Jews and Christians are in this world. The Quran was to be a code of law for the whole world in order to guide it to its ultimate destiny, and that destiny was to develop the whole human race as one nation to higher evolution. That is why the Quran said: "I swear by the moon as it gradually gets complete that you human beings are bound to rise from one plane (of creation) to another (tabqan un tabaqin)." (84:19) At another place it said: "What has happened to you human beings that you do not expect (further) aggrandisation and honor in respect to God, while He has already created you from one pattern of creation to another." (71:14) These utterances which are unequivocal and not liable to different interpretation finally decide that the aim of this last message of God is to direct Mankind to Higher Evolution
as One Human Species.

Quran claimed that God sent the last of all the Prophets: "With Huda i.e. Direction and Din il Haq i.e. the Right programme in order that He may make him (the Prophet) overcome all other programmes." (61:9) The earlier knowers of the Quran took up this 'programme' and 'direction' and enveloped a greater part of the then known world in a few decades. Whole nations were 'converted' to Islam and its march onwards in the first few centuries reads like a fiction. This was because the true spirit of the Direction was imbibed and there was no sectarian prejudice to retard the march of that universal direction. Whole nations could not have been brought to the fold of Islam otherwise. Man is too shrewd to accept coercion, and that is why a greater part of the human race agreed to join the common flow. The Quran proclaimed: "There is no coercion in the Right Programme, (because) verily the the right has come out clear from the wrong." (2:256)
Thus the absolute manifestation of Truth paved the way for total domination of that right programme, at any rate as long as the Mussulmans (Muslims) understood it.

This was the original meaning of the words tafaqquh-fid-din, i.e. the understanding of the right programme, in the Quran. And this understanding meant that the entire purpose of the Quran and of the message of God to Man be kept in view. That was why God prohibited that people should: "split up Quran into portions." (15:91) and promised dire punishment for them. At another place the Quran said: "Are you going to believe one portion of the Book and disbelieve another, so whosoever does it, is damned to eternal disgrace in this world and the next world." (2:85) Thus the word Fiqah (taken from the expression Tafaqu-fid-din), which is now called the Islamic Jurisprudence, had an original meaning quite distinct from what is now attached to it. A Faqih is now understood to be a person who understands the intricacies of the personal law of the Mussulmans.

The same thing happened with the word Al-Ilm of the Quran. The Quran originally styled: "The Book of God" sent down to the Prophets as Al-Ilm i.e. The knowledge (3:7). All Books sent down through various Prophets were given the same appellation (Al Kitab) without distinction. In fact the 'Book of Nature' was called: "the patent i.e. the obvious book" (al kitab ul mubin) and the Quran only 'an extract' of it in Arabic language, so that you may become wise (43:1). This definition of knowledge only meant that the Book of Nature, the books brought down from God by the Prophets and the Quran were all the same things and it was adduced that Man split himself up into various sects and divisions even after the coming down of this knowledge to him. The Quran even goes further and pronounces that "everything that has been created in this Earth and whatever is in the skies, also whatever there exists between the two, has been created as a matter
of fact." (46:3) and the word Fact or Truth (Al-Haqq) does not occur anywhere in the Quran except with reference to the things created by God in Nature (Only in about half a dozen places the word Al-Haqq occurs with references to God Himself or His Prophets or to Death). With the same emphasis the "Ulama" or the knowers of the Quran are only those people who study deeply Nature made by God and "it is they alone who fear God (Innama yakhsh Allahu min ibadi hil Ulama)." (35:28) A Tradition of the Prophet also says that "the Ulama of my Ummat are like unto the Prophets of Bani Israel". Thus the "Ulama" of the Quran are only those people who have profound knowledge of the Book brought down by all the Prophets for Man or of the larger Book of Nature which is the only truth existing, and the idea is that by studying this Book the whole world of Human Beings becomes united into one homogeneous whole, irrespective of creed, colour, geography
or race, for the purpose of higher evolution of Man to still higher forms of creation. The Quran also uses the word Ahl-uz-Zikr (16:6) i.e. men of knowledge for these distinguished people.

It is clear therefore, that the Quran, (or as a matter of fact any Book of the Prophets), should have been interpreted in the light of the "Book of Nature" before us, and this was only done by the early knowers of the Quran in the first few centuries of the Prophet's Era with the result that God's Direction and Right Programme began to dominate over a large portion of the Earth and Man entered a brotherhood which had no prejudices of caste, colour, race or geography, for a good while. This was the age of the "Ulama" according to the Qur'an or rather "the age of the Prophets of Beni Israel". Subsequently the Mussulman forgot altogether the Divine programme and the limits of Islam began to squeeze. All expansion and conquest stopped as if by a magic wand and he began to look at the Quran from the sectarian or rather 'Muhammadan' point of view, as if Islam was a sect of humanity initiated by the Prophet Muhammad, just as Christians
believe that Christianity was a sect initiated by Christ or Jews a group of men formed by Moses.

According to this ridiculous, illogical and wrong notion of knowledge, the group of men who after this fall of Islam began to interpret Quran from this sectarian point of view began to style themselves as Ulama and Ahl-uz-Zikr and these Ulama further cut up the Mussulmans even into various sects according to their own school or method of thought. Thus the whole spirit of Islam vanished to nothingness. Now every Mulla of a mosque, who does not know what is beyond his nose, claims to interpret the Quran and styles himself Alim. The "age of millions of Ulama" has disappeared and with the disappearance of this atmosphere the thread of the knowledge of the Quran has been lost.

The same thing happened with regard to the word "Hadith" of the Quran. This word only meant "conversation" or "story" in the Quran and had absolutely no technical significance. The Quran said: "Allah has sent down (to you) the most excellent conversation (ahsan-al-hadith). " (39:23) At another place it said: "Then after this story (fabi ayye hadithin), which other story you would believe. (meaning the story of the right path of Man related by God to him)" (7:185) When these things were being revealed in the Quran there was not a trace of the written "Tradition of the Prophet."

The traditions of the Prophet (now styled Ahadith, plural of Hadith) were written down late in the third century of the Prophet's era, and during his lifetime the Prophet most strictly warned that "Nothing should be written down from me except the Quran, because (Look! How distinct is the warning) the previous nations got astray through writing." Inspite of this clear warning (authenticated by the Sahih of Al-Bokhari, which is universally accepted to be the most genuine document of the Traditions of the Prophet), the Mussulmans began to edit all possible utterances of the Prophet (reliable and unreliable, chaff and grain) and, in utter defiance to the irony of the Quran with regard to the word "Hadith", began to call it the "Hadith of the Rasul". There was a terrific going astray of the followers of the Prophet after this general adoption of "Hadith" as a Book of Direction, although the Great Omar, the second Kaliph pronounced on the
death-bed of the Prophet: Hasbona Kitab Allah i.e. to us the Book of God is sufficient, meaning that even if the Prophet expired we have quite sufficient material with us to go on with. These words were uttered in the presence of the Prophet and it is remarkable that he did not contradict them even though he wanted to dictate something to Omar at that time.

"Ahadith", because they were stray utterances of the Prophet separated from the context and the atmosphere of the conversation, and did not even sometime mention the status of the man to whom the conversation of the Prophet was addressed, created a tremendous confusion in the original teaching of the Quran, and Islam became even ten times sectarian in its teaching aspect. The expounders of Hadith split up again into various sections and the Mussulmans deteriorated still further. Now those expounders of Hadith style themselves as Muhadithin and the law that they have evolved out of this holy but man-given literature is called "Sunnah", and they have allied it with Quran as a complimentary literature without which no Quranic exposition can be complete. It is interesting to note here that the word "Sunnah" also was never used in the Quran in this technical sense; and its original meaning being only the "Law" or "Practice" of God which is
immutable: "Wa lun tajida Li sunnat illah tabdila" (48:23)

After this tentative exposition of Islam as ordained originally by the Creator of the Universe, the origin as well as position of "Faqihs" and "Ulamas" and "Muhadithin" in Islam becomes quite clear. Leaving the last two alone, Faqihs are those judges of the Mussulmans who administered justice in accordance with the dictates of the Quran and the Hadith and according to their discretion. They come to be known as "holy" men and their decisions became perpetuated as holy because in the imagination of the people as well as themselves they administered the "Law of God". Fiqah or the Islamic jurisprudence thus, (after divesting it of the sanctity attached to it) becomes merely the Law reports of the various Judges who sat on the Tribunals administering the personal law of a section of the Human beings called Muslims, very much like what the Law Reports of the modern Judges of the British or the Pakistani Courts are now-a-days. The decisions
of these old and competent Judges should be held in esteem in much the same way as the decisions of the various High Courts are still respected and quoted and even followed. But just as there is no compulsion on the part of the Modern Judge to hold an earlier decision sacred and immutable, there ought to be logically a free room for extension, evolution, mutation and even wholesale contradiction of previous decisions, in order to make Islamic law even more perfect and better fitted for an advancing nation. This view of Ijtihad in Fiqah is now more and more generally held, and people who view Fiqah in the light of ordinary administrative law based on a general fundamental Divine Book for the whole of Mankind, are gradually drifting away from this sanctity of the Fiqah, as it has been commonly understood hither-to.

With the almost awful generality of the Quran, of being the Message of God to the whole Human race, of being an 'extract' of the Book of Nature itself, of being given to all Prophets alike, of being something 'contained' in all the Books sent to the Prophets before, of being the last Word of God to Man, of being the latest and last edition of God's Law, and so forth, it is clear that Fiqah, Tafsir and Hadith which have been "added" now to the Quran as its necessary compliments by the Faqihs, the Ulama, and the Mohadithin, can only be considered as "man-made" adjuncts and that Quran divests itself of all responsibility with regard to them. To a student of Islam who wishes to go inwards to the originals of that Quran, which was pronounced by the Great Omar as "quite sufficient" for all purposes, these later structures obviously do not matter as they were absent at the time Islam was in full glory and the Quran in its full action.
Their potential value deteriorates also from the fact that no new upheaval in Islam took place after their appearance and sectarianism became so much intensified in it that Islam eventually lost even its pristine power of proselytisation.

But now that Islam (the last word in fact of God to Man) has also deteriorated like Judaism, Christianity and other religions of the world to the level of becoming a "religion" of a section of the Human race and there seems to be no immediate possibility of the revival of the original message of the Quran, it has become impossible to under rate the value of these "super-structures". Of these Fiqah, on the excellence of which depends the moral strength, solidarity and even the material prosperity of a society, stands out as the most important from the practical point of view. It is on the proper and most effective administration of Law that a society is moulded into what it should be. Most of the Western Nations of today have become what they are through proper and effective administration and propagation of the moral code they posses.

Much of what they posses at present in the matter of building a healthy society is the first word of the Quran written large on almost every page of it, and there are volumes of law in countless social matters which they have yet to imitate from the Quran. Proper Fiqah, culled from the pages of the Quran and put into actual practice by the force of belief of those who run Islamic society politically, is therefore the only remedy of the deteriorated Islam and unless this is done under the auspices of those geniuses who have read the Quran in its original spirit and know as well the practical administration of law in human society all the world over, Islamic Fiqah cannot produce miraculous results.

To give a concrete instance; Islamic Fiqah is perhaps the only institution in the world which divides Fundamental rights into two sections, viz., the rights of God (Haquq Allah) and the rights of people (Haquq ul Ibad). The thing most noticeable in the Quran which later exponents of Islam failed altogether to emphasize in Quranic System of law is that our jurists have taken up only that portion of law from the Quran, which has technical punishments or technical explanations attached to it and have put no emphasis worth mentioning on crimes and sins which the Quran emphasis as having led nations to ultimate destruction, and concerning which the Quran emphatically says that their punishment is eternal perdition and Hell. Another thing most marvelous in the Quran is that it has a graded tone of command or prohibition with respect to almost every imaginable human deed ranging from bounded duty (Farz), approval (Mustahab), dim approval, stern prohibition
(Haraam), prohibition, prohibition with punishment, prohibition without manifest punishment, disapproval etc, etc., up to the wrath of God, the ultimate reward of power and prosperity on Earth, the heavenly reward of Al-Jannah or of the burning fire and eternal perdition, or even of total destruction of the whole nation on this Earth. Out of all these various ways of clarifying the importance of deeds pertaining to the mandatory portion of the Quran our jurists have taken only those human deeds where the punishment or reward was technical and have left out mainly those where reward or punishment was more or less spiritual or simply unassigned. They have also failed to notice the most important fact of the legislative portion of the Quran that contravention of the "rights of God" brings about a lesser punishment and sometimes even connivance or merely more formal way or more spiritual way of dealing with it than a disregard of the "rights of
society". It is in this respect that Islamic Fiqah is sadly deficient and it requires the most supreme effort of the modern Islamic Jurist to evolve a most intelligent system of law for the reconstruction of the depraved Muslim society of modern times.

Again, the most outstanding defect of the present Islamic Fiqah is that it is stagnant and has been given a tint which makes it look like a sanctified institution. This has the desideratum of making it look un-modern or even medieval as compared with the Quran, which makes even the most high critic of it astounded at the most elaborate exactness of modernity of it. It is time that Pakistan, being an altogether new and even the largest Islamic State, should take the lead in revising, rather reforming, Islamic Fiqah from the original principles of Islamic Law. Men who have deeply studied the Quran from the scientific and universal aspect of it should come forward and make it an ideal system of law, as Quranic law ought necessarily to be.

It is time also that Islamic administrators of Law should take up those commandments of the Quran within the purview of law which the Quran enjoins as the basic duty of the whole Millah to take up and which tends to construct the whole society of Islam on solid foundations. In this respect the Quranic dictum that "there should be a people among you who invite (people) to do good and order you to do the outstanding good (al-maruf) (of remaining perfectly united) and prohibit you from doing the outstanding evil (al-munkar) (of becoming dispersed into various sections). Wal takun minkum ummatan yadauna ilal khaire wa yamurun bil maruf wa yanhauna anil munkar " (3:104) must become a portion of our progressive law, for the very reason that amar bil maruf and nahiy anil munkar have been a part and parcel of Islamic spiritualism from the remote beginning of Islam, at any rate individually, if not collectively. The word "order" and "prohibit" in this
section of the Quranic mandate are enough to convince that the providence meant that Human beings (being always prone to evil of disruption and most averse to mutual love and union) can be made to stand firm and united against all decomposing forces by the force of authority alone and that mere persuasive and voluntary efforts in this respect cannot bring about the intended results. The well known Quranic dictum: w'atasimu bihablillahe jamiaan wa la tafarraqu i.e. "hold on to the rope of God collectively and without exception and do not get dispersed." (3:103) Or the dictum: innal lazina faraqqu din ahum wa kanu shiaa, lasta minhum fi shay i.e. "those who split up their Programme (Din) and became divided into several sections, thou (O Prophet) are not to include thyself in them in any respect." (6:159) Are some examples of the way in which the Quran enjoins on its followers to keep to the commandments of God under all circumstances, and unless
mandates of a general nature like these, which are the very essence of the programmes of all "live" nations of the Earth, are put into actual practice by the moral force of law and judicious legislation, no law of humans can organize a healthy society. It is thus the duty of progressive Islamic Fiqah to extend its domain of moulding the morals and actions of Muslims in such a way that the whole spirit of the law contained the Quran is maintained. Any Fiqah without this inherent spirit is a skeleton of decayed Islam not possessing the motive power of that life giving urge which warms up human souls, and must be discarded as worthless and even un-godly.







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Subject: Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts



Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts
By Robert Piggott
Religious affairs correspondent, BBC News


Turkey is preparing to publish a document that represents a revolutionary reinterpretation of Islam - and a controversial and radical modernisation of the religion.
The country's powerful Department of Religious Affairs has commissioned a team of theologians at Ankara University to carry out a fundamental revision of the Hadith, the second most sacred text in Islam after the Koran.
The Hadith is a collection of thousands of sayings reputed to come from the Prophet Muhammad.
As such, it is the principal guide for Muslims in interpreting the Koran and the source of the vast majority of Islamic law, or Sharia.
This is kind of akin to the Christian Reformation. Not exactly the same, but... it's changing the theological foundations of [the] religion
Fadi Hakura,
Turkey expert, Chatham House

But the Turkish state has come to see the Hadith as having an often negative influence on a society it is in a hurry to modernise, and believes it responsible for obscuring the original values of Islam.
It says that a significant number of the sayings were never uttered by Muhammad, and even some that were need now to be reinterpreted.
'Reformation'
Commentators say the very theology of Islam is being reinterpreted in order to effect a radical renewal of the religion.
Its supporters say the spirit of logic and reason inherent in Islam at its foundation 1,400 years ago are being rediscovered. Some believe it could represent the beginning of a reformation in the religion.
Some messages ban women from travelling without their husband's permission.. . But this isn't a religious ban. It came about because it simply wasn't safe for a woman to travel alone
Prof Mehmet Gormez,
Hadith expert,
Department of Religious Affairs

Turkish officials have been reticent about the revision of the Hadith until now, aware of the controversy it is likely to cause among traditionalist Muslims, but they have spoken to the BBC about the project, and their ambitious aims for it.
The forensic examination of the Hadiths has taken place in Ankara University's School of Theology.
An adviser to the project, Felix Koerner, says some of the sayings - also known individually as "hadiths" - can be shown to have been invented hundreds of years after the Prophet Muhammad died, to serve the purposes of contemporary society.
"Unfortunately you can even justify through alleged hadiths, the Muslim - or pseudo-Muslim - practice of female genital mutilation," he says.
"You can find messages which say 'that is what the Prophet ordered us to do'. But you can show historically how they came into being, as influences from other cultures, that were then projected onto Islamic tradition."
The argument is that Islamic tradition has been gradually hijacked by various - often conservative - cultures, seeking to use the religion for various forms of social control.
Leaders of the Hadith project say successive generations have embellished the text, attributing their political aims to the Prophet Muhammad himself.
Revolutionary
Turkey is intent on sweeping away that "cultural baggage" and returning to a form of Islam it claims accords with its original values and those of the Prophet.
But this is where the revolutionary nature of the work becomes apparent. Even some sayings accepted as being genuinely spoken by Muhammad have been altered and reinterpreted.
Prof Mehmet Gormez, a senior official in the Department of Religious Affairs and an expert on the Hadith, gives a telling example.
"There are some messages that ban women from travelling for three days or more without their husband's permission and they are genuine.
"But this isn't a religious ban. It came about because in the Prophet's time it simply wasn't safe for a woman to travel alone like that. But as time has passed, people have made permanent what was only supposed to be a temporary ban for safety reasons."
The project justifies such bold interference in the 1,400-year-old content of the Hadith by rigorous academic research.
Prof Gormez points out that in another speech, the Prophet said "he longed for the day when a woman might travel long distances alone".
So, he argues, it is clear what the Prophet's goal was.
Original spirit
Yet, until now, the ban has remained in the text, and helps to restrict the free movement of some Muslim women to this day.
There's also violence against women within families, including sexual harassment.. . This does not exist in Islam... we have to explain that to them
Hulya Koc, a "vaize"

As part of its aggressive programme of renewal, Turkey has given theological training to 450 women, and appointed them as senior imams called "vaizes".
They have been given the task of explaining the original spirit of Islam to remote communities in Turkey's vast interior.
One of the women, Hulya Koc, looked out over a sea of headscarves at a town meeting in central Turkey and told the women of the equality, justice and human rights guaranteed by an accurate interpretation of the Koran - one guided and confirmed by the revised Hadith.
She says that, at the moment, Islam is being widely used to justify the violent suppression of women.
"There are honour killings," she explains.
"We hear that some women are being killed when they marry the wrong person or run away with someone they love.
"There's also violence against women within families, including sexual harassment by uncles and others. This does not exist in Islam... we have to explain that to them."
'New Islam'
According to Fadi Hakura, an expert on Turkey from Chatham House in London, Turkey is doing nothing less than recreating Islam - changing it from a religion whose rules must be obeyed, to one designed to serve the needs of people in a modern secular democracy.
He says that to achieve it, the state is fashioning a new Islam.
"This is kind of akin to the Christian Reformation, " he says.
"Not exactly the same, but if you think, it's changing the theological foundations of [the] religion. "
Fadi Hakura believes that until now secularist Turkey has been intent on creating a new politics for Islam.
Now, he says, "they are trying to fashion a new Islam."
Significantly, the "Ankara School" of theologians working on the new Hadith have been using Western critical techniques and philosophy.
They have also taken an even bolder step - rejecting a long-established rule of Muslim scholars that later (and often more conservative) texts override earlier ones.
"You have to see them as a whole," says Fadi Hakura.
"You can't say, for example, that the verses of violence override the verses of peace. This is used a lot in the Middle East, this kind of ideology.
"I cannot impress enough how fundamental [this change] is."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news. bbc.co.uk/ go/pr/fr/ -/2/hi/europe/ 7264903.stm

Published: 2008/02/26 14:43:58 GMT

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Qadyanis the creation of Britian to divide and rule over Muslims. Period. Period. But -------

Missile strike kills 12 in Pakistan

Friday, February 29, 2008

 

PESHAWAR - Agence France-Presse

  A missile strike early yesterday killed at least 12 people, most of them Arabs, in a Pakistani tribal area known as a safe haven for al-Qaeda militants, officials said.

  Residents in Azam Warsak village in South Waziristan told Agence France-Presse that a house was destroyed by a missile fired from a pilotless drone and the loud blast was heard miles away in the rugged valley.

Just like Israel kills in Gaza.  In the former case is a thug military secularist forces and the other Jewish forces.  They both anihilate Muslims.

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