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From: Salahuddin Ayubi <s_ayubi786@yahoo.com>
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Subject: [Dahuk]: Re: [notun_bangladesh] Re: Epaar Bangla, Opaar Bangla :In quest of a cultural bridge
Many thanks for presenting this exhaustive,
informative, thought provoking excellent article. I
fully agree with the author of this excellent article.
Question of bridge building may only arise when there
is mutual respect for each other of both sides of the
divide. Till that happens viva la differnce!!!!!
Salahuddin Ayubi
--- Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo.com > wrote:
> A Rejoinder
>
>
> By Tayeb Husain, Sweden
>
> (This write-up I pen in response to Mr. Md.
> Anwarul Kabir's article. I am afraid, I have written
> many unpleasant things about Bengali culture and due
> to that some may find in me a fanatic Muslim who is
> trying to nullifying the cultural unity of the
> Bengali speaking people. The fact is far from the
> truth. I do not adhere to any religion and religion
> has never been a concern in my personal or social
> life. Here I am trying to find out the truth and
> nothing but the truth about Bengali culture and
> warning others not to be carried away by emotion and
> thereby ignoring the religious fanaticism that is
> deeply ingrained in the psyche of the Bengali
> speaking peoples. Unity of Bengali speaking people
> should be our objective but that is impossible
> without recognizing where the problem lies and try
> to take action to solve it first. What I have
> written here is my personal views based on my
> observation of Bengali society at large).
>
> I highly appreciate Mr. Md. Anwarul Kabir's sincere
> desire for building a cultural bridge between two
> Bengali speaking people. But the serious and
> immediate problem is Mr. Kabir's name, especially
> the first surname (Mohammad). It indicates that he
> is a Muslim. Similarly Gauranga Mitra, the student
> he met in Calcutta or Kalkatta, is a Hindu by all
> means, and to be exact, GENERALLY. Exception may be
> there but exception can not be any example when we
> talk about a society or a nation. I do not say so
> because I care much about religion but I surely and
> sincerely do care to find out the truth without
> being charged with emotion or sentiments.
>
> The fact is, people in the Indian Sub-continent at
> large were and even today very much are, either
> Hindu or a Muslim and there is very little
> in-between. A man like Pundit Nehru, the father of
> Indian secularism, could not even go over it.
> Rabindranath was a confused Hindu very much so even
> though he had Muslim chef and relished Muslim
> dishes. Religious fanaticism, unfortunately, was and
> is deep in the psyche of the people of the
> sub-continent. Mr. Kabir disapproves Jinnah's two
> nation theory and may I ask him, if two nation
> "theory* is not acceptable or valid, on what basis
> Bangladesh claims her independent existence? And
> talking about culture, may I point out that cultural
> division in Bengal started, indeed, the day Baktiar
> Khilji established his kingdom in Bengal around
> 1204. Again, India was divided, I firmly believe,
> NOT because Jinnah wanted so but it was the Bengali
> Hindus (the upper caste I mean) who did not like to
> be governed by the majority Muslims in Bengal whom
> the minority upper caste Hindus considered
> 'inferior' people.
>
> If Bengali Hindu leaders joined Fazlul Huq or
> encouraged other Muslim leaders against division of
> Bengal (i.e. if they supported united Bengal) the
> history of the sub-continent would have been
> different. In 1905 the Hindus who waged war against
> Lord Curzon's division of Bengal and brought the
> colonial government to their knees, did not raise a
> finger when the same Bengal was divided in 1947.
> Public memory is too short but for emotional Muslim
> Bengalis it seems to me that their memory chip is
> fully blank.
>
> Now let us turn to Bengali culture. "Culture is the
> chronic life style of a group of people often
> referred to as ethnic people. Culture consists of
> systematic distinctively visible patterns of
> behaviours and thoughts that are passed on from one
> generation to the next. This definition of culture
> includes beliefs, values, food habits, language,
> accent, socio-economic activities, political and
> social organisations as well as the usage of
> technology and the equipment".
>
> Bengali culture as per the definition must be the
> faiths and values of the Bengali people. Language
> could be added to it in narrow sense. Two religious
> groups are dominant in Bengali speaking area, the
> Muslims and the Hindus and no doubt that their
> faiths make their cultures different. A practising
> devote Calcutta Muslim finds it much easier to
> mingle with a Malaysian Muslim rather than his next
> door Hindu neighbour. The question of a Hindu
> mingling with a Muslim was a rare thing in the past;
> the situation is almost the same even today. Food
> habit, dress-code and even the words they use in
> their language differ widely between these two
> communities. Mr. Kabir calls his elder sister 'Appa'
> and elder brother's wife 'Bhabi' whereas the
> equivalent words to these salutations for a Hindu
> Bengali are 'Didi' and 'Bau-di'. Am I right Mr.
> Kabir?
>
> Names of personal relationships are concrete
> examples how the Hindu and Muslim culture differs.
> Dada, Bou-di, Didi, Jamai-Babu, Jatha, Kaka, Khuro,
> Pishi, Mashi, etc. are some of the Hindu words and
> nomenclature of very personal relationships of the
> Bengali Hindus. No Muslim uses these words except
> but to please a Hindu now and then. Muslims have
> their own words for these personal relationships
> (Bhai, Bhabi, Apa, Dulabhai, Chacha, Khala, Phupu,
> etc.). Likewise some other literal words are also
> not the same as the Muslims use in Bengal. Such
> words are: Jol, Jhol, Mangsho, Bhagawan, Paap,
> Punya, Swarga, etc. On the other hand, Muslims have
> their alternate words for the same in Bengali. The
> Muslims words for above are: Pani, Surua, Gosht (or
> Goshto or Gosh), Allah, Gunah, Soab, Behest, etc.
>
> These are examples of minor nature but the emphasis
> on it both the Hindus and the Muslims put can not be
> ignored by any neutral observer. The literature
> created by the Hindus in Bengali language is
> distinctively different than their Muslim
> counterparts. It includes theme, family language,
> substance, religious pitch, etc. remarkably
> different from each other. The Bengali Hindus always
> looked down upon the Muslims and behaved as if the
> Muslims do not exit and they need not be considered
> for anything. Tagore was once asked why there is no
> Muslim character in his literature. His blunt answer
> was that he knew nothing about them (except, as
> evidence suggests, he knew well how to collect rents
> from his majority Muslim tenants with iron hands).
> The Muslims (but except a few) developed due to this
> behaviour towards them some sorts of disdain to
> Hindu population at large and to their religion in
> particular.
>
> The Bengali or Bangla culture is primarily based, in
> many ways, on ignorance or low level education,
> limited technological advancement, less demanding
> attitude towards life, passivity to challenges, etc.
> Moreover, we must remember, such a culture is
> strongly influenced, in most cases, by its religious
> cultural aspects anywhere. Although there are a few
> exceptions but even today an individual
> Bengali-speaking person, generally speaking, is
> either a Muslim or a Hindu. Indeed, religion has
> played a very strong role in the development of the
> Bengali life style since the ancient times. If it
> were not so, Bangladesh would have merged with India
> in 1972 when the country was created by direct
> Indian military intervention.
>
> Indian objective was not to make an independent
> Bangladesh; her first choice was to unite East
> Pakistan with India, second preference if the first
> was not possible was, to make it a vassal state and,
> her last option, was to make an independent friendly
> state if and when the first and second alternatives
> did not work. Indian diplomat J. N. Dixit has
> recorded the fact correctly in his book the
> "Liberation and Beyond". India did not build fence
> with her boarder with Pakistan, her arch enemy. Why
> the fence around Bangladesh? How many Bangladeshi
> are killed each year by Indian security forces in
> Indo-Bangla boarder? This is savage and barbarian
> behaviour both by the Indians and the Bangladeshis.
> No where today solders at boarders are so
> trigger-happy as it is in the boarder between India
> and Bangladesh. Cultural bridge is good but ground
> work for it, both the Bengali speaking people, must
> build first.
>
> The river is deep and isolated bumpy rock all
> around, attempting to build a straight bridge
> without proper survey and removing all hindrance
> could be dangerous. With economic development India
> can not have any interest except dominating and
> subduing Bangladesh and how the weak and vulnerable
> country can take the initiative to make a bridge by
> levelling the bottom of a treacherous river is a big
> question. A bridge is a good thing and there must be
> a bridge based mutual respect and a sense of
> solidarity for each other's economic, social and
> political interest. Do both Bangladesh and West
> Bengal have it? Do the Hindus in Bangladesh and the
> Muslims in West Bengal or in India have this respect
> for each other or do both the communities in these
> two countries get equal rights in every aspect of
> their life?
>
> Religious differences between the Hindus and the
> Muslims, not only in Bengal but in the whole Indian
> sub-continent, are fundamental, paramount and
> unmistakably provocative. The Muslims believe in one
> God (Allah) concept which is completely separated
> from his creation. Their faith teaches survival of
> the
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informative, thought provoking excellent article. I
fully agree with the author of this excellent article.
Question of bridge building may only arise when there
is mutual respect for each other of both sides of the
divide. Till that happens viva la differnce!!!
Salahuddin Ayubi
--- Isha Khan <bd_mailer@yahoo.
> A Rejoinder
>
>
> By Tayeb Husain, Sweden
>
> (This write-up I pen in response to Mr. Md.
> Anwarul Kabir's article. I am afraid, I have written
> many unpleasant things about Bengali culture and due
> to that some may find in me a fanatic Muslim who is
> trying to nullifying the cultural unity of the
> Bengali speaking people. The fact is far from the
> truth. I do not adhere to any religion and religion
> has never been a concern in my personal or social
> life. Here I am trying to find out the truth and
> nothing but the truth about Bengali culture and
> warning others not to be carried away by emotion and
> thereby ignoring the religious fanaticism that is
> deeply ingrained in the psyche of the Bengali
> speaking peoples. Unity of Bengali speaking people
> should be our objective but that is impossible
> without recognizing where the problem lies and try
> to take action to solve it first. What I have
> written here is my personal views based on my
> observation of Bengali society at large).
>
> I highly appreciate Mr. Md. Anwarul Kabir's sincere
> desire for building a cultural bridge between two
> Bengali speaking people. But the serious and
> immediate problem is Mr. Kabir's name, especially
> the first surname (Mohammad). It indicates that he
> is a Muslim. Similarly Gauranga Mitra, the student
> he met in Calcutta or Kalkatta, is a Hindu by all
> means, and to be exact, GENERALLY. Exception may be
> there but exception can not be any example when we
> talk about a society or a nation. I do not say so
> because I care much about religion but I surely and
> sincerely do care to find out the truth without
> being charged with emotion or sentiments.
>
> The fact is, people in the Indian Sub-continent at
> large were and even today very much are, either
> Hindu or a Muslim and there is very little
> in-between. A man like Pundit Nehru, the father of
> Indian secularism, could not even go over it.
> Rabindranath was a confused Hindu very much so even
> though he had Muslim chef and relished Muslim
> dishes. Religious fanaticism, unfortunately, was and
> is deep in the psyche of the people of the
> sub-continent. Mr. Kabir disapproves Jinnah's two
> nation theory and may I ask him, if two nation
> "theory* is not acceptable or valid, on what basis
> Bangladesh claims her independent existence? And
> talking about culture, may I point out that cultural
> division in Bengal started, indeed, the day Baktiar
> Khilji established his kingdom in Bengal around
> 1204. Again, India was divided, I firmly believe,
> NOT because Jinnah wanted so but it was the Bengali
> Hindus (the upper caste I mean) who did not like to
> be governed by the majority Muslims in Bengal whom
> the minority upper caste Hindus considered
> 'inferior' people.
>
> If Bengali Hindu leaders joined Fazlul Huq or
> encouraged other Muslim leaders against division of
> Bengal (i.e. if they supported united Bengal) the
> history of the sub-continent would have been
> different. In 1905 the Hindus who waged war against
> Lord Curzon's division of Bengal and brought the
> colonial government to their knees, did not raise a
> finger when the same Bengal was divided in 1947.
> Public memory is too short but for emotional Muslim
> Bengalis it seems to me that their memory chip is
> fully blank.
>
> Now let us turn to Bengali culture. "Culture is the
> chronic life style of a group of people often
> referred to as ethnic people. Culture consists of
> systematic distinctively visible patterns of
> behaviours and thoughts that are passed on from one
> generation to the next. This definition of culture
> includes beliefs, values, food habits, language,
> accent, socio-economic activities, political and
> social organisations as well as the usage of
> technology and the equipment".
>
> Bengali culture as per the definition must be the
> faiths and values of the Bengali people. Language
> could be added to it in narrow sense. Two religious
> groups are dominant in Bengali speaking area, the
> Muslims and the Hindus and no doubt that their
> faiths make their cultures different. A practising
> devote Calcutta Muslim finds it much easier to
> mingle with a Malaysian Muslim rather than his next
> door Hindu neighbour. The question of a Hindu
> mingling with a Muslim was a rare thing in the past;
> the situation is almost the same even today. Food
> habit, dress-code and even the words they use in
> their language differ widely between these two
> communities. Mr. Kabir calls his elder sister 'Appa'
> and elder brother's wife 'Bhabi' whereas the
> equivalent words to these salutations for a Hindu
> Bengali are 'Didi' and 'Bau-di'. Am I right Mr.
> Kabir?
>
> Names of personal relationships are concrete
> examples how the Hindu and Muslim culture differs.
> Dada, Bou-di, Didi, Jamai-Babu, Jatha, Kaka, Khuro,
> Pishi, Mashi, etc. are some of the Hindu words and
> nomenclature of very personal relationships of the
> Bengali Hindus. No Muslim uses these words except
> but to please a Hindu now and then. Muslims have
> their own words for these personal relationships
> (Bhai, Bhabi, Apa, Dulabhai, Chacha, Khala, Phupu,
> etc.). Likewise some other literal words are also
> not the same as the Muslims use in Bengal. Such
> words are: Jol, Jhol, Mangsho, Bhagawan, Paap,
> Punya, Swarga, etc. On the other hand, Muslims have
> their alternate words for the same in Bengali. The
> Muslims words for above are: Pani, Surua, Gosht (or
> Goshto or Gosh), Allah, Gunah, Soab, Behest, etc.
>
> These are examples of minor nature but the emphasis
> on it both the Hindus and the Muslims put can not be
> ignored by any neutral observer. The literature
> created by the Hindus in Bengali language is
> distinctively different than their Muslim
> counterparts. It includes theme, family language,
> substance, religious pitch, etc. remarkably
> different from each other. The Bengali Hindus always
> looked down upon the Muslims and behaved as if the
> Muslims do not exit and they need not be considered
> for anything. Tagore was once asked why there is no
> Muslim character in his literature. His blunt answer
> was that he knew nothing about them (except, as
> evidence suggests, he knew well how to collect rents
> from his majority Muslim tenants with iron hands).
> The Muslims (but except a few) developed due to this
> behaviour towards them some sorts of disdain to
> Hindu population at large and to their religion in
> particular.
>
> The Bengali or Bangla culture is primarily based, in
> many ways, on ignorance or low level education,
> limited technological advancement, less demanding
> attitude towards life, passivity to challenges, etc.
> Moreover, we must remember, such a culture is
> strongly influenced, in most cases, by its religious
> cultural aspects anywhere. Although there are a few
> exceptions but even today an individual
> Bengali-speaking person, generally speaking, is
> either a Muslim or a Hindu. Indeed, religion has
> played a very strong role in the development of the
> Bengali life style since the ancient times. If it
> were not so, Bangladesh would have merged with India
> in 1972 when the country was created by direct
> Indian military intervention.
>
> Indian objective was not to make an independent
> Bangladesh; her first choice was to unite East
> Pakistan with India, second preference if the first
> was not possible was, to make it a vassal state and,
> her last option, was to make an independent friendly
> state if and when the first and second alternatives
> did not work. Indian diplomat J. N. Dixit has
> recorded the fact correctly in his book the
> "Liberation and Beyond". India did not build fence
> with her boarder with Pakistan, her arch enemy. Why
> the fence around Bangladesh? How many Bangladeshi
> are killed each year by Indian security forces in
> Indo-Bangla boarder? This is savage and barbarian
> behaviour both by the Indians and the Bangladeshis.
> No where today solders at boarders are so
> trigger-happy as it is in the boarder between India
> and Bangladesh. Cultural bridge is good but ground
> work for it, both the Bengali speaking people, must
> build first.
>
> The river is deep and isolated bumpy rock all
> around, attempting to build a straight bridge
> without proper survey and removing all hindrance
> could be dangerous. With economic development India
> can not have any interest except dominating and
> subduing Bangladesh and how the weak and vulnerable
> country can take the initiative to make a bridge by
> levelling the bottom of a treacherous river is a big
> question. A bridge is a good thing and there must be
> a bridge based mutual respect and a sense of
> solidarity for each other's economic, social and
> political interest. Do both Bangladesh and West
> Bengal have it? Do the Hindus in Bangladesh and the
> Muslims in West Bengal or in India have this respect
> for each other or do both the communities in these
> two countries get equal rights in every aspect of
> their life?
>
> Religious differences between the Hindus and the
> Muslims, not only in Bengal but in the whole Indian
> sub-continent, are fundamental, paramount and
> unmistakably provocative. The Muslims believe in one
> God (Allah) concept which is completely separated
> from his creation. Their faith teaches survival of
> the
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