Dear Mr. Turkman:
It seems that you have now refrained from using logic to defend yourself. Why are you now diverting the issues of contention. Give me counter logic. Have you run out of them and that's why you are now trying in desperation to divert the readers in brandishing me as a racist? Pity! You do not hear even if you hear and you have now made some comments which are baseless in accusations. What happened to your paper on years of research on a white Jesus? or do you want to prove that whatever is light is white? Strange. Remember my friend it does not matter how much you rub yourself - you will never be a white man and you have your roots in Asia - people will keep on asking you - where u r from. Surprising how you are trying to manipulate my words in trying to hide your ignorance behind abuses. I am not like others - I have successfully pushed u to a level of no arguments from you. My knowledge is superficial? I am the one who is giving references from all sides and you have thus far resorted to abuses and hunches. You are trying to say - the US Congress and UK Parliament have the time to talk about films in American idol - but no time to talk about flags and Cross? if you want I can prove that they did have talks? Want to know the outcome? I guarantee that I will give that right here in this Alochona online only if you agree to that fact that u will concede to have been defeated in logics and remeber - I do not talk baslessly. Waiting for your response or abuse - whatever - or even dead logic.
Mufassil M M Islam
Human Rights Advocate
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: turkman@sbcglobal.net
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:34:01 -0700
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Human Rights and Migrants
The Problem with Mufassil is, his General Knowledge is superficial. He doesn't know, flags of European Countries came in to being centuries ago, when Europeans used to be a lot more religious than now and this is why there's a cross on their flags to unite their own people of different linguistic and tribal backgrounds on Religious Grounds because no other grounds existed in those days. Since after not remaining religious, they still have not changed their flags, he thinks they are Countries based on Religion despite that he is a successful Lawyer in the land of Christians though he is a Moslim. What a Hypocite ...!He ignores the fact that color of his skin didn't make a difference but since insists they are Racist backwards Christians since he is a Racist backwards Moslim.About USA, he doesn't know, what kind furious Cold War against Communism USA was right after WW II. He just finds this wrong that USA still asks Immigrants about their affiliation with Communist Organizations in their countries since nobody has thought about getting rid of that clause yet. He is using everything, he can to show his hate for Non Moslim Countries because it has been indoctrinated in his brain by our Mollaas though now he lives-off them in U.K. You see, you can keep Tail of a Dog burried in soil to straighten it out, but whenever you would un-earth it, you are going to find, it hasn't.
mufassil islam <mufassili@hotmail.com> wrote:Dear Mr. Raisuddin:
Magna Carta did started a democratic system on the roll in 1215 but I also believe that you are aware of the after shocks of that and I refer to the Bill of Rights thereafter in the then UK. I also believe that you are aware that the Magna Carta could not save the King of England after that owing to the mere fact that the King was Catholic - he had to go to the gallows and give his head. Are you aware that in England the Bill of Rights is still at work since tha middle ages and the the fact that in UK there is no such thing as written constitution? And UK has tried to justify many reasons for not having a written constitution but I will give you the real reason - the primary reason is the reliance on Bill of Rights where the King is himself to a large extent beyond any constitution and a Anglican Church King - the King James Verson of the King. The truth is - yes in the west owing to law and the general emphasis on its implication the law applies to all equally but this can be felt when it comes of regular daily affairs but I am referring to administrative and systematic abuse of lacunas of law which I can very much give several examples as in my last letter where there are hypocratic applications. You wish for more example? Such as Zimbabwe became eye sore to TK only after the white farmers were kicked out of their massive lands - Robert Mugabe was not an issue when he was toturing his own people. Why? All these Zimbabwean white farmers hold British Overseas passports - trust me - I do have many of them as my clients. Yes. Irony of being a lawyer. UK and all the other major European countries have the Cross on their flags and we are showing allegience - nonsense. A democratically utterly religigious countries where you are given George Cross of bravery and Cross given for Knighthood. Nonsense. And I am pretty sure that in US when u apply for Permanent Residence - you have to declare negativity towards Communism. This is democratic? No holiday for over 10% Muslims in Europe but .5% Christians do get Christmas in Bangladesh. Sorry our Bangladesh may be still far behind democrarcy owing to our poverty but all countries have to go through such periods and we will prosper soon - I am confident and we are generally far more democratic in souls than the West. We are just victims of our own ignorance and illiteracy and the corrupt are exploiting us. The next target is Saudi Arabia and that's the fact and the Saudis dug their own grave when they cut off from the Ottomans. I will request facts and not fictions please.
Mufassil M M Islam
Human Rights Advocate
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
By my opinion, Mr. Mufssil Hussains' assertion, "I don't know why Mr. Turkman talks as always baselessly and without examples. I challenge that the Western view is not democratic." is really baseless indeed. It does not appear that the facts will support Mr. Mufassil's claim. Heaven does not exit anywhere in the world. All we have to live with statistical facts. It also depends on what the author means by the word "democratic". Mangacarta used to provide perfect democracy Britons while the colonies did not have any chance to taste it. Similarly, when someone lives in any of the the western countries, if he/she is the citizen of that country then the constitution of that country allows that person to exercise full democratic rights. Constitution protects that person, most of the time, in full. No system is full proof. So, isolated unfavorable incidents may happen. But the fact is that the people of most of the western country extremely respect their constitution, which in the other part of the world meagerly happen. A lot of people of other parts of the world, have other agenda on top of the constitution of the country. If Bangladeshi people had real respect for the constitution, the country would be many many fold prosperous than what it is today. This is also a reason why Bangladesh, instead of progressing, going more towards hardship and anarchy, leaving behind the democracy of the people. Self-criticizing is more necessary to achieve this goal, rather than boasting and blaming with irreality and falsehood.
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Dear Mr. Aziz, Mr. Turkman and Other Readers:
It is easy to get carried away into the vortex of conflicting issues if we do not take on board, patience and constructive critocims of opposing view holders on board.
I agree that the nourishment of freedom of speech in EU (sorry but I do have further reservations about the US) is held high but these rights are often manipulated and misguided in the name of atrocious laws as rightly said by Karl Marx once that law is the toll of oppression by the ruler. Al must agree that during and soon after second world war - may fundamental human rights were currauled even for the UK citizens in UK for the sake of national security and I believe these sorts of checks should be allowed when national security is doomed but the question is for how long and for how much? The recent atrocities and threats of atrocities in the West has very reasonable justifications of putting a check on people at random or even basing on their religious and national entities whilst visiting the West - esxpecially the US. I was more than once checked by the authorities and I have had no reason to worry as the authorities did explain that it was a random checking even though it did appear to me that the system did target me. It is also true that the criminals do not necessarily have to wear a beard to pose a threat and even may be of European origin.
But it is not true as well that we are not curtailed of our freedom of expressions in the West. It is not at all right to presume that our thoughts can be told at full. Here are some examples:
The issue of Palestinians blowing themselves up - although I do not support the act at all but it is also true that these acts do emanate from decades of utter frustration and from series of torture by the Israeli regime which is being backed blindly by the US government. Mrs. Blair was subjected to severe criticisms and even calls were made by the media to boycot her when she had expressed that she did feel the utter frustration of the Palestinians.
There are criminals and crazy people in Iraq who are against peace but its is also true that there are people in that country who want to see the Americans go and if they declare war and pick up arms in defence of the liberty of their motherland - West will never allow them to be called 'freedom fighters' as under the 'glorification' clause of the Terrorims Act 2006 in UK or under the Homeland Security Act of the US. An example of this is the comments against George Galloway MP (UK) when he had done so. What about many MPs in UK who had lost their party nominations after they had mentioned that the UK parliament was a poodle of the zionist regime? Or what about the Historian who had questioned the depth of the authenticity of the German atrocities on the zews? Or what about the several examples of money lending scandals from the zewish peers in UK and what about Mr. Lor Levi being posted as a Minister even though he was part of the money lending scandal in the British Government?
I don't know why Mr. Turkman talks as always baselessly and without examples. I challenge that the Western view is not democratic. We do go their for practical means of survitude and benefits of this world but that does not mean we the people of the East are blindly unethical. What do you call the US policy or the Amnesty International's report about US being the worst violators of Human Rights in the world? If you do not know the statistics - please ask me brother but Mr. Turkman's utter use of bad and vulgar language proves the point that either he has a close relative in the family who is White Christian American and that has pushed him to be utterly biased or he has lost the plot simply because he is uninformed. We do not have any grudges about white, yellow or blue or even against people of other faiths but we must not be carried away blindly.
As for Islam I have only a few excerpts from the Quran and that should suffice for Muslims travelling to other country:
Sura Al Araf:
On Entry intio new city:
161. And (remember) when it was said to them: "Dwell in this town (Jerusalem) and eat therefrom wherever you wish, and say, '(O All�h) forgive our sins'; and enter the gate prostrate (bowing with humility). We shall forgive you your wrong-doings. We shall increase (the reward) for the good-doers."
And we must respect their laws but not at the cost of our souls and you want us out of there? Surprised - how you became a poodle as you decided not to enter into the world of intellectual battle. Allah made us poor financially but spiritually rich so that we can all work for the spread of Islam - the only peaceful life. Read Sura Al Araf it also teaches us to be patient as people will surely hurl abuses.
I don't know under law of which country the Government can cease passports for ever as suggested by Mr. Turkman but is a good advise to lecture the prospective migrant to advise them about foreign culture as adopted by Phillipines (Post Departure Seminar) - Mr. Turkman you forgot to give an example and I am giving it for all.
Read my latest article
http://www.thedailystar.net/ law/2008/ 05/05/index. htm
Sincerely,
Mufassil M M Islam
Human Rights Advocate
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I have no idea, why these people can find a Conspiracy Theory behind everything that goes wrong with our saintly people anywhere.
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