Mr. Ezajur : That was a topic - long ago. Please have time to read letters and then make comments. Please do not jump to conclusions. We are not talking about spellings any more. It seems u comment on many things but do not have time to read much.
With respect.
Mufassil M M Islam
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
From: ezajur.rahman@q8.com
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:03:18 +0000
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Re: Human Rights and Migrants
Sir
I do not find myself in agreement with much of what Mufassil Islam
writes. Western and/or secularist failures do not automatically
translate into Eastern/religious victories. Be that as it may I am
obliged to write to you and inform you, respectfully, that you are
letting your own arguments down at times - hopefully unknowingly.
There is nothing in your well thought out writing that indicates you
are prone to generalisations. So why start making generalisations
about Muslims? I don't see many Muslims on Alochona
going 'mad' and throwing 'obscenities' at you.
In the same vein, there is nothing in your well argued writing that
indicates you need to resort to changing the spelling of a word in
order to make a point. Changing the spelling of Moslem or Muslim to
Moslim is a provocative device used by people of far lesser ability
than you.
You make good points - please don't dilute them!
I do not intend to cause you offence and I hope you take my points in
the same spirit in which they were written.
Best wishes
Ezajur Rahman
Kuwait
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com , S Turkman <turkman@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for addressing me like this. Moslims normally get so mad if
someone opposes their views that they start throwing obscenities at
them instead. My comments are inserted below wipe-out your crazy
Racist and Religious theories, sir.
>
> mufassil islam <mufassili@...> wrote: Dear Mr. Turkman:
>
> Thank you for a categorical response. I do support some of your
views but for the rest - note the following:
>
> 1. Go back to Bangladesh? Why? After the west has sucked our blood
for over tow hundred years and now telling us we were ruled for less
than one hundred? looted our Kohinoor and crowned the Queen? Go back?
This going back notion has crumbled the US economy to dire straits
and put the history's worst and most unpopular man as President (even
now voted vy Americans as the most unpopular) and he keeps on
referring to stupid remarks like being a broker in Palestinian causes
and taking the sides of the Zews openly and saying - they are the
people of the book. What a fanatic. History will throw him to the bin
when he refers to history as 'who cares about history - we will all
be dead'. An idiot man who ravished lands for a handfull of fanatics
who cannot be controlled with all the money and CIA power and you
have to bomb millions of Afghnis.
> TURKMAN: Your Knowledge is superficial. Proof? "Only 1400 of our
men have been dead ...", statement of Ambassador of Talibani
Afghanistan to Pakistan published in all Pak Newspapers a month after
fall of his government and you claim, USA bombed millions of
Afghans. ... Though I was not against bombing of crazy Taliban, I was
against invasion of Iraq. Please tell me, how can God start fall of
nations like USA, if He does not make its people elect someone like
Bush Jr. to run their country in 21st Century West?
> --------------------- --------- ----
>
> 2. I wonder how US people were fooled again in voting this man for
his utterly fear factor game of politics. 'Vote me I will save you'.
I wonder why most of the Americans hate him now. Have you woke up or
are you still in love with this man?
> TURKMAN: I had hated him before he got elected as an American
Citizen.
> --------------------- --------- -----
>
> 3. It is true that we have serious social stigmas and I abhor the
idea that the faiere the prettier. Look we have a white Jesus from
the middle east with blue eyes. The answer I had from a Baptist
Chrich in UK - Jesus cannot be ugly. Hypocrats. I challenged
the 'fair and lovely product' in Bangladesh and its publicity and
many medias now have banned the product's advertisement which uses to
decrade the less white skin.
> TURKMAN: Look. It would make this post very long if I published
my research to prove that not only Jesus but also Prophet Ibrahim was
a White man. Stop being a Racist ...! In Mexico, they portray Jesus
as a brown man but its because of the hate against Whites, not
because of their research. Modern Scientific DNA Gnome research also
proves that Jews are not brown people and Jesus was a Jew by birth
and had nothing to do with Africa or India to be Black or Brown.
> --------------------- --------- -----
>
> My following article shows the views:
>
> http://www.thedailystar.net/ law/2007/ 11/02/opinion. htm
>
> But do you know the reason? We are so much in love with the West
that we have lost our self-esteem. The ruler was white - the whiter -
the better. Britush standard specification - the correct - the
Western democrarcy - even if many people take to the streets against
the war in London - democracy delivers the right voice - well the
leaders Tony Blair said - a leaders at times have to sacrifice
popularity for something good? Huh? Isn't popularity the basis of
democracy?
> And my guess was right - you do have a personality problem - you
are in a limbo - you do have Western people in the family - no wonder
how true I was. But I think you have been blinded. You want to remain
close to them more - you want to become unquestionably part of the
West by westernising your thoughts. How else I could pry that
information out. Your ideas have been blinded with foolishness and
apathy.
> TURKMAN: Are we at some kind of Racial War with the West, sir?
You are proving again that you are a Racist.
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>
> 4. Why US allows migrants? Alas you do not know the history of
constitution. You do not know how Mohicans and all other races were
systematically wiped out in thousands from Americans. I request the
readers to read history of any country especially of any South
Anmerican countries in Wikipedia - how they were brutalised. The land
belongs to all the God's people - not only to Europeans. They just
cannot go there a few hundred years ago and seal our entry by
saying ' Go back' - Immigration law applies. What a stupid idea. Only
until a few years ago - the american newspapers used to allow only
one page out of 1000 pages of their daily newspapers - for
international news. What a boxed up arrogant world. But good thing is
they are reading more international news now - in fact more than any
other nation. Are you?
> TURKMAN: Of course European Colonists were Racists in 15th
Century and much later just like we still are but why are you
claiming they still are, when they are no more and since 1952 USA has
been permitting citizenship to people of all Races? Have we reached
1600's, when Christians had started granting immigration of Non
Whites and Non Christians in their lands yet? If so, please tell me
the name of such a Moslim Country ...! Which Moslim Country is open
for any Bangladeshi to Immigrate for good to? In all advanced
Christian Countries, Moslim Immigrants make at least Minimum Wage and
the one's who still can't afford are helped by charity of the state
in the shape of Cash Welfare monthly payments, Food Stamps,
Subsidized Housing, free Medical, free lunch for their school-going
children, no School Fees etc. Please tell me, why Bangladeshi
Immigrants to Pakistan live under Tin Roofs in Karachi next to 'Un-
touchable' Schedule Caste 'Bhangi' or Shit Picking people, working as
> House Maids and Cleaning Men and when I was on an assignment in
Karachi, why my Teenage Bangladeshi Maid was surprised to learn that
some Bangladeshis can really be rich enough to afford her? She was
also surprised to learn that some Bangladeshis could be White. She
was so poor that looking at Dry Kidney Beans and Black Eye Peas, she
asked me, what were they? Tears were in my eyes after hearing her
question.
> --------------------- --------- ---
>
> 5. If you are so much in love with the west - and hate our ethos
and morals so much - why bother coming to Alochona online? Sorry I
had to be harsh - bt your unfounded brandishing of people like me
with a mere excuse of Osama or Mulla does not stand logic. You have
simply lost the plot with your shouts.
>
> Mufassil M M Islam
> Human Rights Advocate
> TURKMAN: Its a habit of Racists and Mollaas to be harsh because
they are only following some of their 7th Century obsolete verses in
Qoraan. Since they are brain-washed, its hard for them to find
humility and Human Instincts. They take a refuge pretending to be
Human Rights Advocates just to oppose right-mindedness in the West
using all their hate against the West with punity in this disguise
hiding their Racism and Mollaaism that they have been raised in.
Allaho Akbar ...!
>
>
> From: turkman@...
>
> My comments are inserted below.
>
> mufassil islam <mufassili@...> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Aziz, Mr. Turkman and Other Readers:
>
> It is easy to get carried away into the vortex of conflicting
issues if we do not take on board, patience and constructive
critocims of opposing view holders on board.
>
> I agree that the nourishment of freedom of speech in EU (sorry but
I do have further reservations about the US) is held high but these
rights are often manipulated and misguided in the name of atrocious
laws as rightly said by Karl Marx once that law is the toll of
oppression by the ruler. Al must agree that during and soon after
second world war - may fundamental human rights were currauled even
for the UK citizens in UK for the sake of national security and I
believe these sorts of checks should be allowed when national
security is doomed but the question is for how long and for how much?
> TURKMAN: Until the problem exists.
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> The recent atrocities and threats of atrocities in the West has
very reasonable justifications of putting a check on people at random
or even basing on their religious and national entities whilst
visiting the West - esxpecially the US. I was more than once checked
by the authorities and I have had no reason to worry as the
authorities did explain that it was a random checking even though it
did appear to me that the system did target me. It is also true that
the criminals do not necessarily have to wear a beard to pose a
threat and even may be of European origin.
> TURKMAN: I think, profiling is a better way and they should only
check the teens to the ones up to 38 years old because all the
Terrorists are covered in that age group. Women and Children should
be spared because not many children and women have blown themselves
up. The problem is, I have seen a 90 years old White American Lady
being picked for special screening and a famous Jewish Movie Actor
here in USA.
> --------------------- --------- --
>
> But it is not true as well that we are not curtailed of our freedom
of expressions in the West. It is not at all right to presume that
our thoughts can be told at full. Here are some examples:
>
> The issue of Palestinians blowing themselves up - although I do not
support the act at all but it is also true that these acts do emanate
from decades of utter frustration and from series of torture by the
Israeli regime which is being backed blindly by the US government.
Mrs. Blair was subjected to severe criticisms and even calls were
made by the media to boycot her when she had expressed that she did
feel the utter frustration of the Palestinians.
> TURKMAN: Palestinian cause is a victim of 9/11.
> --------------------- --------- --
>
> There are criminals and crazy people in Iraq who are against peace
but its is also true that there are people in that country who want
to see the Americans go and if they declare war and pick up arms in
defence of the liberty of their motherland - West will never allow
them to be called 'freedom fighters' as under the 'glorification'
clause of the Terrorims Act 2006 in UK or under the Homeland Security
Act of the US. An example of this is the comments against George
Galloway MP (UK) when he had done so. What about many MPs in UK who
had lost their party nominations after they had mentioned that the UK
parliament was a poodle of the zionist regime? Or what about the
Historian who had questioned the depth of the authenticity of the
German atrocities on the zews? Or what about the several examples of
money lending scandals from the zewish peers in UK and what about Mr.
Lor Levi being posted as a Minister even though he was part of the
money lending scandal in the British
> Government?
> TURKMAN: Democracy is, what majority of people think, not what
you think. Osama and Mollaas should have thought about it before
starting it.
> --------------------- --------- ---
>
> I don't know why Mr. Turkman talks as always baselessly and without
examples. I challenge that the Western view is not democratic.
> TURKMAN: Whichever system creates a better society and keeps
people satisfied giving them all their rights is Democratic. Does any
of our systems do that? If you do not like Western views, go back to
Bangladesh and fight with your Mollaas ...!
> --------------------- ------
> We do go their for practical means of survitude and benefits of
this world but that does not mean we the people of the East are
blindly unethical. What do you call the US policy or the Amnesty
International's report about US being the worst violators of Human
Rights in the world?
> TURKMAN: Not really 'the worst'. USA is the only country of the
world where Illegal Aliens have a right to come on the streets to
protest and vandalize demanding they should be granted citizenship.
Tell me, which country of the world permits this kind of attitude?
> --------------------- --------
> If you do not know the statistics - please ask me brother but Mr.
Turkman's utter use of bad and vulgar language proves the point that
either he has a close relative in the family who is White Christian
American and that has pushed him to be utterly biased or he has lost
the plot simply because he is uninformed. We do not have any grudges
about white, yellow or blue or even against people of other faiths
but we must not be carried away blindly.
> TURKMAN: Yeah, this is why, when I was a Teenager, my country's
people used to make fun of me because of my too fair complexion and
good looks that my mother must have had slept with an Iranian to have
a boy like me. Of course, I had Anglo-Indian Christian Friends before
I arrived in USA and all my wife's relatives and a lot of my friends
are White American Christians and they are a lot better people than
my Daishi Moslim, Hindu and Sikh friends.
> --------------------- --------- --
>
> As for Islam I have only a few excerpts from the Quran and that
should suffice for Muslims travelling to other country:
> Sura Al Araf:
> On Entry into new city:
>
> 161. And (remember) when it was said to them: "Dwell in this town
(Jerusalem) and eat therefrom wherever you wish, and say, '(O
All�h) forgive our sins'; and enter the gate prostrate (bowing with
humility). We shall forgive you your wrong-doings. We shall increase
(the reward) for the good-doers."
>
> And we must respect their laws but not at the cost of our souls and
you want us out of there?
> TURKMAN: That Verse was for the city, where 1st Qiblaa of Moslims
was located, not for any Western City. Allah doesn't consider those
Moslims, who live amongst Non Moslims. Read Verse 8 : 72 ...! I'm
violating that verse myself because I think, its now obsolete. I
haven't sold my soul. Your Soul is possessed by Demon of Tribalism
and backwardness and this is why becoming civilized means selling
your soul to you.
> --------------------- --------- ----
> Surprised - how you became a poodle as you decided not to enter
into the world of intellectual battle. Allah made us poor financially
but spiritually rich so that we can all work for the spread of Islam -
the only peaceful life. Read Sura Al Araf it also teaches us to be
patient as people will surely hurl abuses.
> TURKMAN: Spread the word for what? To make USA become another
corrupt country like Bangladesh or Pakistan? And I can see, how
patient you are by hurling abuses at me, calling me a Poodle.
> --------------------- --------- ---
>
> I don't know under law of which country the Government can cease
passports for ever as suggested by Mr. Turkman but is a good advise
to lecture the prospective migrant to advise them about foreign
culture as adopted by Phillipines (Post Departure Seminar) - Mr.
Turkman you forgot to give an example and I am giving it for all.
>
> Read my latest article
>
> http://www.thedailystar.net/ law/2008/ 05/05/index. htm
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mufassil M M Islam
> Human Rights Advocate
> TURKMAN: You are again showing lack of your General Knowledge.
Passport has been Government Property of the country that issues it
since the first Passport was issued in this world. It can be
confiscated, whenever any issuing Government wants to. Go Read the
Booklet smart Alec ...! Passport is not a right. Its a privilege.
Stop acting like a Know-all, when you are a Knows-nothing ...!
> Best of all, learn to spell words instead of giving readers such
a hard time trying to understand, what the hell you have written ...!
You have more than a dozen spelling mistakes in your above post.
Please do not converse with me Mollaa, I have no time for illiterate
ignorant nuts like you.
>
>
>
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> From: turkman@...
>
> I have no idea, why these people can find a Conspiracy Theory
behind everything that goes wrong with our saintly people anywhere.
>
> Nilkanto Chowdhury <nilkanto@...> wrote:
> There are people who are working against Bangladeshi
in Middle East so that they can ruin Bangladeshi job market there and
get benifite from that. Our government and people should speak up
about that. Please be aware of that kind of people and media. Well,
people from all nations are doing nusty things. We don't blame the
full nation for that, do we? Why then Bangladeshi?
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