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Sunday, November 23, 2008

[mukto-mona] Re: On the Sculpture Issue (To: Mr. Uz Zaman)

Mr. Uz Zaman,

You seem to be very sympathetic to a islamist demagogue like Mr.
Hannan and initiated a "civil" dialogue with him which is full of
same religious nonsense that civil people everywhere must get rid of.
Why must you, once-a-professor-at-ohio state, try to justify the
sculpture issue in the light of koran?

It is obvious that the present Bangladeshi rulers, who are funded by
saudi money, orchestrated the destruction of the sculptures. And
mullahs like you, knowingly or unknowingly, taking part in this
destruction of idigenous human culture of sculpture-expression.

tistarbahe


--- In mukto-mona@yahoogroups.com, "M. Harun uz Zaman" wrote:
>
> Dear Mr. Hannan: As we all know, recently there has been a lot of
controversy and furor over the sculpture issue. As I indicated in
another post, I strongly disagree with you on this issue. I want to
ask you some questions to learn more about the rationale behind your
position. I know many people on this forum often ask you questions,
most of them rhetorical, and often in a disrespectful and uncivil
tone. Sometimes, but a lot less frequently, you also have responded
in kind to such questions. I want you to know that I am not asking
you questions in that spirit. I just want to have a civil dialog on
the subject. First, I want to set down some terminology. In the
remainder of this post, unless otherwise specified, "idol" will mean
a piece of sculpture intended to be an image of a god/godddess, used
in an act of worship of such a god/goddess. The word "statue" will
mean a piece of sculpture that is NOT the image of a god/goddess,and
has no religious significance. Here are the questions: 1. In the
Arabic language, are there separate words for "statue" and "idol" as
explained above or is the same word used to represent both? 2. If
there are separate Arabic words for the two English words above,
which one is used in the Holy Quran to forbid its making or use? Is
it one or the other or both?
>
> If the same Arabic word is used for both, do you think it is
reasonable to assume that the word "idol" (as defined above) is
meant, because of its association with polytheism? In other words,
the word "statue" (as defined above) is NOT meant in that
prohibition. 3. I have the same question about the use of the two
words in the hadith literature and in the Sunnah of the Prophet
(pbuh). For example, has there been any instance of anyone making,
possessing or carrying a non-religious statue, which was then
criticized or forbidden by the Prophet (pbuh)? 4. Has there been any
instance of building non-religious statues since the time of the
Prophet (pbuh)? If yes, what was the reaction of the contemporary
Ulema? 5. We know that there are a lot of statues in Egypt. Has the
local Ulema or any Ulema from any part of the Arab world denounced or
criticized the building or continual presence of these statues in
public places or asked for their demolition? 6. We also know that
there were lots of statues of Saddam Hossein in Iraq prior to their
demolition in 2003 after the war. Did the Ulema in Iraq or from any
part of the Arab world protest the erection of these statues and ask
for their demolition? 7. What are your views on photographs, painting
and other images of human beings, when they do not have any religious
use or significance? Do you think that the same prohibition that
applies (in your opinion) to sculpture should apply to such works?
If your answer is yes or no, please explain or discuss your answer.
Again, these are not rhetorical questions or questions intended to
win an argument. I am just trying to understand your reasoning. With
regards, M. Harun uz Zaman
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