:)
Now you are talking ...
Bottomline - we need GOOD PEOPLE ... and GOOD PEOPLE come from many religion.
I think it's quite simple ... if people trust their common sense ... and be tolerant to others (vinnomot) ... we will see a GOOD SOCIETY ...
In today's world that's scarce ...
On 12/6/07, dina khan <dina30_khan@yahoo.com> wrote:
As human being we are all one human nation...may be it consists of different thought or different faith persons on different cultures & languages.but main religious or nature of human should be the humanity & the main aim of the human being should be to try for establishing humanity & human right.For establishing humanity it needs to establish good administration & for establishing good administration it needs a good proccess.YesDemocracy is the Good Proccess for good administration.But for establishing good democracy it needs good honest persons & good rules & good laws.To get good people it needs to create honest children by providing them quality education.For getting honest good children it need to build good familyFor building good family it needs happy coupleTo form happy couple (happy marriage life) it needs to build each honest faithful personal life.So for establishing pure democracy you need to pay attention how the common people can get correct education to build themseves as good men & women.It can be built by by good family.I needs to make the family as loving school & it is the best way to establish your good demcracy as well as to esbablish Universal Peace.
Rahul Guha < rahul.guha@gmail.com> wrote:I respect your strong belief in one religion ...However it's not for me ... I am religiously liberal and religiously against any religious doctrains ...The issue in hand has little to do with Taslima or "real" Islam ... I have little knowledge about both and have no intention to increase those. Issue to me is democracy. Unfortunately religion and communism don't believe in that ... I have a problem there.That's why I want to raise my voice.Again I respect your religious belief ... I appreciate you respct my liberal belief too ...ThanksRahul
On 12/6/07, dina khan <dina30_khan@yahoo.com > wrote:Mr RuhulI did not include you. A lot of emails everyday regarding Taslima Nasreen & Islam are over loading my email box. I know Taslima I have read her books. Taslim & Mulla's fighting can not delete & elite Islam.Please think correctly & honestly. The real Islam is the real philosophy of secularism faith (Lakum dinio waliodin). Real Islam does not create any disparity it does not create any intolerance any violence any discrimination. The real Islam establishes justice of human right & humanity in the social & economical fields for all category people.The real Islam is the real scientific religion. The real Islamic way of life is the real peace of life.The real Islam creates real peace in personal life in the family life & in the society for building peaceful nation. The real Islam has honored the woman as family caring house leader as mom as child caring & child teacher. The real Islam inspires to provide the girls quality education for making them well educated as child's mom caring of children & caring of family for building family as loving school. The real Islam is the religion of charity.Islam is the way to belief in One God (ALLAH) to do regular worshiping to only Almighty ONE GOD Allah. Almighty Allah is the creator of everything of the whole universe. He is the Supreme power & everything doer of the whole universe. He is the most Powerful King of the Whole Kingdom. He is the Final Supreme Judge of everything.To get peace in mind peace in family life peace in society peace in the world is the way by knowing & by learning to earn correct knowledge of the universal truth for using natural resources which are created by Al mighty Allah for the interest of the human being & for understanding the differences between right & wrong to follow the right path for doing good works & by loving His all creations worshiping regular for making direct heart relation with Almighty One God Allah.Love good works & worshiping to Almighty Allah is the source of peace is the source of establishing humanity & is the source of receiving His Mercy.Almighty Allah gives you all patients & keeps you in Peace (SALAM) leads you to the right path. Alhamdulillah (All praise to Almighty Allah Who is the King of the Whole Kingdom)Regardsdina
Rahul Guha < rahul.guha@gmail.com> wrote:Mr Khan,Please exclude me from this discussion on ISLAM as I have no interest in that topic.I care about human being and their life ...I believe that religions are just some structures on top of "common sense" that tries to solve the problem at hand. People make terrible mistake by carrying the baggage of religion over years when they are no longer relevant ... it's true for any religion.I believe in the context of what's happening in Kolkata Taslima's adultary or whatever is totally irrelevant.As VM editor, I would love to get your writing in proper form and I can guarantee that it wll be published based on merit.In the meantime, please exclude me from this pointless and endless discussion of islam and its good/bad.ThanksRahul
On 12/2/07, dina khan <dina30_khan@yahoo.com > wrote:Hi allFor establishing human right & justice of law it first needs to provide all people quality education equally not to create any social disparity it needs to show respect to all people as human being it should not be classified as some are upper class people should get more facility others are as lower class & untouchable people & should not get any facility equally & it should not be also claasified people as acoording to the religious faith.Should be treated all are as human being.Real Islam has given the real human right of all women. Islam has treated the woman as the mother of human nation. Islam has given the advice to the human that the heaven of the children are under feet of their mother..Initial residents of human are the belly of their mother & food of their mother's belly & breast. The real Islam has inspired the human nation to respect the woman as mom as child care as child teacher as family care as human peace maker & as good society builder.According to the Islam by providing quality education to the woman by honuring the woman happy family can be build which can help to build peaceful human nation.
By reading Taslima's books it is known that she has got many men as her bed partner but she has not got chance to be a good mother as well as a good wife in her lifeHow can she be able to establish woman right??.
Dr Biplab Pal <biplabpal2000@yahoo.com> wrote:Mr Enayet Ullah,I forwarded you my ebook where there was an article on Fida Hussain. Also, in my video, I have shown moral equivalence of Taslima and Fida Hossain.And yes, I am concentrating on West Bengal-a state where I was born. I don't know what you mean when you said, I must concentrate on India-I believe I am doing that. As an Islamist, you must have gone nuts or else you will not speak like this shit.Anyhow I am fighting to stop Islamisation of West Bengal fueled by CPM politics--Bengali Muslims in our state are good people-trouble is with Urdu speaking Bihari Muslims. I don't need any advice from an Islamist on that matter. Islamism is our enemey--it is the enemy of both West Bengal and India. Hinduvta will not exist without Islamism. Islamism is the root cause behind rise of Hinduvta. Unless it can be checked by secular force, Hinduvta will overtake the batton and that will be misery of Muslims in India. Hinduvta can not be stopped without stopping Islamism--Islamism is their source of energy.Before, you give me advice on writing against Hinduism, show me another writer who wrote more against Hinduism than me in last three years. I have given this challenge to all the Islamists like you.And show me your writing against religion of Islam-can you?????? First do your job and advice me. I did my job to criticize my religion before criticizing Islam.Your Islamist ideology is ruining our state-so let take a position of enemity-I don't need advice from an enemy disguised in the mask of advisor. If possible, oppose our views in Vinnomot. We respect views of opposition.But it hardly matters--I have learned with my 3 years of experience --Islamists like you never read--juts like a Goebelian theory, they will keep on speaking same old shit--write against Hinduism. First show me somebody who challenged Hindu theology more than me and show me that you wrote against Islam. Unless you criticize Islam, just keep your big mouth shut.You are just al nut head Islamist pretending as progessive Uber Ali. Take off your mask and write in vinnomot with a true Jamati face-you are always welcome for that.Mr Pal,
Are not you lying when you ignore the plight & fate of
Fida Hussain, the exiled famous artist?
Instead of evoking Vivkanand et el, just look at
contemporary Hindu society in India, where minorities
are always tortured & oppressed in the spirit of
secularism & patriotism. By targeting Muslims in India
as the enemy of the state, the Shiv Sena party secured
the role of "protector of the Hindus" and the "flag
bearer of militant Hinduism".
If you are a real 'Humanist' (which you claim?) then
the most important thing you should do to set an
example in India for others to follow!
India is a 'big brother' with 1.1 billion population.
Mr Pal you can achieve a lot by focusing in India by
creating a model for justice, equality & perfect
humanity.
By your activism for Taslima just beat that purpose.
Instead of seeking social harmony, you decided to spew
hate & panacea to your fellow humans. What a deceitful
anathema?
I do not know about your level of belligerence, but,
Taslima's rage has nothing to do with religion - it's
the dysfunctional Victorian colonial society we should
change. I am supportive to anyone who are
well-intended intelligent advocate for a 'Natural
Human Rights'.
If you want to connect the dots, you need to read
Quran one more time without any preconceived notion.
Lets make it clear, social injustice of muslim
countries like Bangladesh or Saudi Arabia has nothing
to do with Islam!
When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the
earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!"
Quran, 002.011
"Those who believe, and do deeds of righteousness, and
establish regular prayers and regular charity, will
have their reward with their Lord: on them shall be no
fear, nor shall they grieve." Quran: 002.277=== message truncated ===
--- Dr Biplab Pal <biplabpal2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Mr Islam:
>
> (1) You have questioned me what I would do, if
> Taslima starts writing against Hinduism.
>
> You need to be bit more informed here. Taslima
> did expose Hindu verses against women in her
> writing. No Hindu cares because RamMohan,
> Vidyasagar, Vivekanda, Dayananda have been reforming
> this religion for last two hundred years-and Hindus
> are familiar with reform movement. It is only after
> the rise of Hinduvta, which is a reaction against
> Islamism, intolerance in Hinduism is growing.
>
> In 1993, I wrote a feminist drama solely based on
> Taslima's exposure of Hinduism against women. It was
> meant for IIT student activists in village area of
> Midnapore. I transformed Taslima's prose into poetry
> in the drama. It was acted by two talented
> women-Esha and Mohua. Then they were students of 1st
> year in IIT Kharagpur and now they are professor in
> reputed universities in USA. Both strongly felt,
> Taslima expressed their words of pain which
> otherwise they would have never spoken out in a male
> dominated society. So, I keep hearing this crap that
> Taslima is doing it for her own promotion--bu other
> side of the rude truth is--she is speaking the
> pent-up cries of women. When I hear such sentence
> about Taslima from a male voice, all I can say, let
> him be reborn as woman in our society and feel the
> torture/oppression--and then speak about it.
>
> [2] Thank you for your advice to write against
> Hinduism. I have a question: Find another writer who
> writes even 10% of what I write against Hinduism in
> the net. I don't know of anybody who wrote more
> articles/blogs than me on evil of Hinduism in last
> three years.
>
> All I can say, you are very ill informed about
> Taslima and me. I am open to advice and
> suggestion--but the advisor must be better informed
> than me on that matter. Next time, you throw up
> advice, please do some basic research first.
>
>
> Biplab
> Editor
> www.vinnomot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Badrul Islam <badrul_islam2001@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Dr.Biplab Pal,
>
> You have already in you U--tube dopcumentary
> declared openly and bodly that you are
> aethist.Therefore Religion/or Religious matter
> should be your least concern and I am confident that
> Rahul Guha are in the same category as you. What you
> and Rahul as good Indians should be doing is raise
> awareness of the defects of your won society. The
> story herein forwarded should encourage you both on
> this matter before you go on to try to set others.
> Taslima is a politcal issue as you have guessed in
> your comments indicated within the brackets.
>
> Taslima and Salman Rushdie andn there are and
> would be many more who earn their living in this
> style-- tomorrow they will change and can write
> against the Hindu religions too-- depends on how
> much money is paid for their stunts that helps
> politicians purpose--after a while they will be
> useless and another new Taslima and Rushdie will
> replace them. Its a sad profession they have choosen
> for themselves but they as you have right to choose
> and face their problems.
>
> The crowd that jolted Kolkatta comprised of people
> who had combination of long/short beard n caps and
> dress that would make them look like Islamist and
> even would be having names like Islamist--- whenever
> a villian is shown in Indian picture he is dressed
> as such and obviously named Akbar-- the good guys
> are the Aamar and Anthony (now a days even Anthony
> also remains under attack in India). You know it and
> so does Rahul.
>
> What seems to be justified is for you and Rahul to
> be aware of you own defects as can be seen by the
> story herein and rectify your own first. Here is the
> reality:----
>
>
> A pink crusade for justice Soutik Biswas
> 27 November 2007
>
> The several hundred vigilante women of
> India's northern Uttar Pradesh state's Banda area
> proudly call themselves the "gulabi gang" (pink
> gang) and are striking fear in the hearts of
> wrongdoers and earning the grudging respect of
> officials.
>
> The pink women of Banda shun political parties and
> NGOs because, in the words of their feisty leader,
> Sampat Pal Devi, "they are always looking for
> kickbacks when they offer to fund us".
>
> Two years after they gave themselves a name and an
> attire, the pink women have thrashed men who have
> abandoned or beaten their wives and unearthed
> corruption in the distribution of food grains for
> the poor.
>
> They have also stormed a police station and thrashed
> a policeman after they took in an untouchable man
> and refused to register a case.
>
> Justice for the poorest
>
> "Nobody comes to our help in these parts. The
> officials and the police are corrupt and anti-poor.
> So sometimes we have to take the law in our hands.
> At other times, we prefer to shame the wrongdoers,"
> says Sampat Pal Devi, between teaching a "gang"
> member on how to use a lathi (traditional Indian
> stick) in self defence.
>
> Banda is at the heart of the blighted region that is
> Bundelkhand, one of the poorest parts of one of
> India's most populous states.
>
> It is one of the poorest 200 districts in India
> which were first targeted for the federal
> government's massive jobs for work programme. Over
> 20% of its 1.6 million people living in 600 villages
> are lower castes or untouchables. Drought has
> parched its already arid, single-crop lands.
>
> To make matters worse, women bear the brunt of
> poverty and discrimination in Banda's highly
> caste-ridden, feudalistic and male dominated
> society. Dowry demands, domestic and sexual violence
> are common.
>
> Locals say it is not surprising that a women's
> vigilante group has sprung up in this landscape of
> poverty, discrimination and chauvinism.
>
> Sampat Pal Devi is a wiry woman, wife of an ice
> cream vendor, mother of five children, and a former
> government health worker who has birthed and led the
> "pink gang".
>
> "Mind you," she says, "we are not a gang in the
> usual sense of the term. We are a gang for justice."
>
>
> 'Uproot the corrupt'
>
> Her seeds of rebellion were sown very early on when
> in face of her parents' resistance to send her to
> school, she began writing and drawing on the walls,
> floors, and dust caked village streets.
>
> She finally ended up going to school, but was
> married off when she was nine in a region where
> child marriages are common. At 12, she went to live
> with her husband, and at 13, she had her first
> child.
>
> To keep the home fires burning, Sampat Devi began to
> work as a government health worker, but she quit
> after a while because her job was not satisfying
> enough.
>
> I wanted to work for the people, not for myself
> alone. I was already holding meetings with people,
> networking with women who were ready to fight for a
> cause, and was ready with a group of women two years
> ago," she says.
>
> Sitting outside a home in Attara, Sampat Devi waves
> her calloused hands, breaks into a rousing song to
> "uproot the corrupt and be self reliant", and
> animatedly talks to women - and men - who flock to
> her with their problems.
>
> 'No handouts'
>
> The pink sorority is not exactly a group of
> male-bashing feminists - they claim they have
> returned 11 girls who were thrown out of their homes
> to their spouses because "women need men to live
> with".
>
> That is also why men like Jai Prakash Shivhari join
> the
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