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Tuesday, January 8, 2008

[vinnomot] 'Behesti Jeor' democracy? - S. Turkman, a god fearing muslim with different interpretation

No sir, how can I follow any sect of Islam against the orders of my God in Qoraan, when He is saying, "Kooloo wa tashraboo, wa laa taffarqqoo" (Treanslation: "Eat and Drink but do not cause division amongst you ...!"), in Quraan?
 
We have one God and are supposed to be one, not Shiyah, Soonni, Shiyah this or Sonnis that. We the ordinary people didn't create all these 73 Sects of Islam. The Molllaas did and we were so stupid that we followed them and divided ourselves being obedient to our those earthly gods instead of remembering, what God Himself had said in Qoraan speaking directly to us since we had stopped reading Qoraan and had started to hear it from their mouths without realizing that they were cheating because of their own abmbitions (which is a natural Psychological condition in all Humans, who want to be different and achieve some of their material of philosophical goals).
 
God in Qoran, the Prophet, the 1st 4 Caliphs had never authorized Government-paid permanant or full-time Imams or Clergy Heirarchy in any Mosques. Why was it?
 
Because His own Jewish Clergy Heirarchy had conspired to get Prophet Jesus or Eesau crucified. The Prophet that He had created without a father so, Humans could have more pure Prophet not interested in material greed or human love flesh and sex. Had he ever had sex in his life? Had he ever married? Had he ever taken money from anybody?
 
Our Mollaas do all that and call themselves 'SujjaaDah Nasheen' (the virtual descendents) of the prophets of God. Are they really, when even their living off Islam is illegal by words of God in Qoraan, the Prophet and 1st 4 Caliphs of Mohammadan Islam?
 
Doesn't Islam say, "Whoever gets up 1st to lead the prayer, can be an Imam" ...?
Then, how come you can not go in any of your Mosques and lead a Prayer?
I learnt that legally Imam of main Mosque of Delhi, who had abdicated for his younger brother had a son, who was an Aalim himself. When in Karachi, he once stood-up for people in his local Mosque to be an Imam and peformed the prayer for the people, who came in late, he was banned from the Mosque that he had been going to for decades.I haven't yet found under which law of Islam, which verse in Qoraan or which Hadith the local Imam had taken that action against him?
 
The Real problem are not us but guardians of our faith, who do not guide us to basics of Islam and keep collecting 'Koffaarah' Money from the biggest of Sinners of us to live-off happily. You can commit a fraud of 10 Crrores, pay one lakh to your Mollaa and feed a 100 people (sent to your Bungalow by the Mollaa) and all that money is legal and this is why Clergy was banned by God since all this is not Islam.
 
P.S.
You have posted this on Notun Bangla Internet Forum but I can't post it back on it anymore because Mollaa Moderator on that forum had banned me a few weeks ago for being Anti Mollaa since his Islam doesn't permit Free Speech though no Internet Forum of the world would have existed in this world if USA believed in that theory because Internet is owned by US Government.  
 
Syed Aslam <Syed.Aslam3@gmail.com> wrote:
 
'Behesti Jeor' democracy? - S. Turkman, a God-fearing Muslim with different interpretation.......
WRT: 
 
Mr. S. Turkman
 
Things are becoming clearer. You just another God Fearing Muslim who has
different interpretation of Islam !
 
What's your say on the role of Ulema in the day to day life of ordinary
powerless people:
(1) Teacher
(2)  Exacutive [as in Kohemeni's doctrine- Guardianship of the Jurist]
(3)  Executive [Local power figure - as in Taleban Afganistan]
(4)  Military Commender [In the Islamic State of Afganistan and the Islamic Republic of Iran,
      Mullahs have directly coordinated military operations
(5)  Role in judicature -
(6)  Advisory role
(7)  Preaching
(8)  Fatwabazi [As we see in rural south Asia ]
(9)  Ulema as authors
 
Do you have your own doctrine or follow one of the existing such as
Hanafi, Shâfi'î , Maliki, Hanbali, Druze ectc.
 
 
 
On 1/7/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
'Behesti Jeor' democracy?

I agree with you. We need a Reform in Islam. God never mention word '5 Pillars of Islam' in Qoraan. The Prophet never mentioned them. They were created by our Mollaas because they suited them best and not the Basics of Islam that He had given to Prophet Moses (Moosau) though they were repeated in Qoraan in a lot more detail than in 10 Commandments of Old Testament. The Basics of Islam are not 5 Pillars. The Basics are the following:
 
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
 
1. You shall not have other gods before me ...!
2. You shall not make graven images and bow down to them ...!
3. You shall not call my name in Vain ...!
4. Remember the Sabbath Day (the day of rest & Worship) ...!
5. Honor thy Parents ... !
6. You shall not Kill ...!
7. You shall not commit Adultery ...!
8. You shall not Steal ...!
9. You shall not bear false witness (or lie) ...!
10. You shall not covet (desire enviously, what belongs to somebody else) ...!
 
The No. 4 above was is missing in Qoraan because our day of worship wad Friday and Sabath means Saturday. These are the basics, not 5 Pillars, not the Rituals, not the traditions. Mollaas put all the emphasis on their 5 Pillars and do not put emphasis on the above plus other stuff that is supplemental to the above like Bribe Taking is same as stealing. Robbing is same as No. 10. Mis-use of power is same as stealing. Swindling and defrauding is also Stealing.


Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@...> wrote:

Q: Can you please define Islam for me?
A: 1. Pronouncing Sahadah
2. Following 5 pillars
Now you are a muslim - as simple as that!

The Deobondi Islam which stress heavily on rituals
like Salat, Ramadan, Hajj etc. But they ignore the
plea for knowledge of the nature or mankind or our
souls. No wonder Muslims are back pedaling than moving
forward.

Those Mullahs of Deobondi wrote an excellent book of
blind ignorance named - 'Behesti Jeor'. You can get
every potion of your problem in that book here or
hereafter. Everyday, millions of Muslims blowing on a
glass of water with those verses from 'Behesti Jeor'
for the cure of their disease and for their problem.

No wonder last 100 years, there were not a significant
Muslim Scientists, Nobel laureate or inventions. We
could not send any Muslim in the moon yet, though
there are lot of verses in Quran about the
infiniteness of universe & Solar system.

We do not really understand and embrace our faith, we
merely follow some rituals prescribed by Mullahs.
Today, Muslims largely believe in some Islamic
symbolism than the real faith. So, we never grow faith
in ourselves, we blindly follow some rituals.

This is so wrong!

If you look at the life of Prophet and early verses of
Quran, it's all about instilling faith. There are lots
of science in those verses about the universe, solar
system and formation of life from a single cell
mutation.

What Islam need today is a revival of Intellectual
divinity and a reality check with modernity.

We need to do some serious soul searching, otherwise,
we are at the peril of extinction!

Peace,

--- ahmedsohail siddiqui
< sohaisiddiqui7862006@....in> wrote:

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