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Thursday, March 13, 2008

Re: [mukto-mona] Family is the Nucleus of a Stable Society - Attn Dr Jiten Roy

Hi Jiten Roy,


I am not sure how open minded I am. I am not even sure what it means to be open minded. But thank you for the thought.

You said, " I believe, it will be a futile effort to try to impose any ones views onto others, and it will be detrimental if any group try to dominate the other. The best thing is to accept and respect our differences and move on."

Those are noble thoughts but may I ask how you can square this with nationalism and anti abortion and the traditional family. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you but I am unable to see how the two beliefs can be reconciled.

You said, "Nationalism is not the source for the hatred between groups. If anything, nationalism should bring people together. Of course, anything extreme is bad. If we eat too much, that's bad for health. Ultra dose of anything is bad."

Nationalism promotes separation. It promotes competition to prove one nation is the better than another nation. The US, for example, is always trying to prove it is better than, say Russia and China and India. Perhaps that might be understood but they are also trying to best their traditional allies. Nationalism may not be the source of the hatred but it reinforces it, in my view.

You say. "Those who are ultra-liberals, almost everything is acceptable to them. Their moto is if you like something do it. In otherwards, they are not guided by moral, religious, and social boundaries. In Seattle, there is group of ultra-liberals who think it is their right to sex with animals. That's an example of a moral decay to many people. Eliot Spitzer, a social/moral liberal, is one of those suffering from a moral decay."

In order to look closely at this idea you have of liberals, there needs be an understanding of where society gets its 'so-called' moral values. In that sense, what represents good morals to me may not represent good morals to you. Putting aside the sex with animals idea which, (forgive me, if I find it funny... for a lot of men look like animals to me! LOL) would seem a bit extreme, other ideas of sex come from a tradition of abuse and control. My moral and sexual boundaries would include homosexuals but not include arranged marriages so that men can marry young virgins. So, it entirely depends on where one sits. And while one idea may represent moral decay to one person, the other idea represents moral decay to the other person. Each has merits for one group or another. 

Eliot Spitzer, if you think of it, was just doing what men do, as a matter of course. If you want to prevent this kind of 'moral' decay, you have to think deeper than "prostitution is wrong". Prostitution is wrong. But in my opinion, not for traditional reasons. Prostitution is wrong because the woman is exploited by a male dominated system that does not provide for its vulnerable children.

You say, "I do not want any religious teaching at school; that's up to the religious institutions and up to the family."

I don't know how to respond to this complex statement. First of all, I believe that religious teachings are the source of all evil. I wouldn't want religious teachers to teach my cat. Secondly, families only teach the same thing as religions have taught them over the years. The foundations of society are religious in origin.

You say. "I have heard this argument "it is my body." The truth is, it is your body, but you have another body growing inside your body."

Well, as a woman, it is my body and please don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do with it. But, having said that, when every man in the world takes responsibility for his children and every child is well fed and warm and safe, then I will entertain the idea that we should bring children that are accidents of sex into the world. Until then, better not to bring them into the world to suffer, unless you happen to think suffering is good as most religions teach. And I can guarantee you that if men had to take responsibility for their children, there would be no anti abortion groups.

You say. "I will never understand your arguments against family structure. Family is the nucleus of a stable society. The future generation learns moral, religious, and societal values from a good family. Procreation replenish ones generation and race, as a whole. Without family structure, generation will vanish faster. The argument that family structure is unnecessary is an ultra-liberatarian view, which I will never understand. Most people build family for procreation and that is good for all races."

Here you and I are polar opposites in out way of thinking. As a general rule, families do not teach anything that has not been handed down by religions of one kind or another. Those religions teach fear and compliance. Fear and compliance induce demons and stress. And on it goes. Children are born into intolerable situations and it is seen as good. Why is it good? Why is procreation good? It may be good to have more people to make the rich richer, to fight wars for nationalism, to die for a cause, if that represents good in your eyes.  But is it good for the person, the individual, the vulnerable child? 

Teaching humans to suffer now in the hope of achieving a reward in heaven is so passe, don't you think?

Audrey











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