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Tuesday, March 31, 2009

Re: [ALOCHONA] War crimes_who freed_197 war criminals and 193000 Pak Soldiers

Enayet:
 
Some people take the time to read and think about things before they open their mouth, and some waste of space decide to mouth off the first nonsensical rubbish that comes to their mind. It appears that the latter kind, unfortunately, has infested this forum!
 
1. There is nothing so cynically "interesting" about the Simla Agreement. The Pak army surrendered to the Indian Army because General Niazi refused to surrender to the Bangladeshi government in exile. Secondly, a truce in a military conflict can only be signed between two fighting forces. On Dec 16, 1971, there were no "Bangladeshi Army". Mukti Bahini was not an organized army, and Niazi found it dishonorable to surrender otherwise. That's why the truce was signed between India and Pakistan and not Pakistan and Bangladesh. Also know that Pakistan did not recognize Bangladesh on Dec 16, 1971. Therefore, it could not be in a treaty with a country that they didn't believe existed. Read General Niazi's "The Betrayal of East Pakistan".
 
2. After the surrender treaty was signed, both governments of India and Pakistan agreed to meet at a later date to discuss repatriation of POWs and resolve any other outstanding conflicts such as Kashmir. Before India met with Pakistan for the Simla Treaty, Indira Gandhi's govt. and Sheikh Mujib's govt. signed the "Indo-Bangladeshi Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Peace", committing 25 years to NOT interfere in each others business, respect sovereignty, and most importantly, not to enter in any alliance if either India or Bangladesh gets involved in another armed conflict. The treaty also had provisions to stand together and cooperate if either country was attacked by any other nation.
 
3. During the Simla Agreement, Indira Gandhi insisted that Pakistan recognizes Bangladesh as a sovereign state and in return the Indian government agreed to release all POWs. Gandhi and Bhutto signed the Simla Agreement and not Mujib.
 
4. It is required by the Geneva Convention that when an army surrenders in an armed conflict, the surrendering army must surrender all weapons and ammunition to the detaining power. Since Pak army didn't surrender to Bangladeshi govt. or the non-existent army, it surrendered all weapons to India, beginning with General Niazi handing over his empty revolver to Aurora. It's required by international law. Also the treaty between Niazi and Aurora stated that "These forces will lay down their arms and surrender at the places where they are currently located to the nearest regular troops under the command of [Aurora]". Mukti Bahini also retained significant portion of the weapons cache, and some of those arms later became the property of Bakshal, so to speak.
 
5. 25-years of slavery? What slavery? Would it have been better to be a concubine of Pakistan? You seem rueful that Pak army didn't stay longer. That Indo-Bangladesh Friendship Treaty has been instrumental in our security economic prosperity. Of course the treaty isn't perfect. We got cheated out of land and water rights among other things. But "slavery"? Looks to me that you would have been happier to be a slave of the Pak govt.
 
6. You know, Sheikh Mujib wasn't a perfect man or even a perfect leader. I disagree with many of his policies and actions. But one thing I don't doubt is that he loved his country and its people more than his life, and his role in our independence was tremendous. But when I read comments like "poodle of Indira", I feel sorry for people like you. You have no education or class, and only an uncivilized war criminal would say something like that. You are comparing the father of our nation to a lap dog of a foreign power, and that is simply vile and disgusting. I can understand if you dislike him, Hasina, or their policies and actions. But when you call Bongobondhu a poodle, you insult the very independence that we cherish today. I find no difference between individuals like you and the savage Pak army who considered all Bangladeshis to be dogs. \
 
Cyrus


From: Enayet Ullah <enayet_2000@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com; chottala <chottala@yahoogroups.com>; khabor@yahoogroups..com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 11:08:22 PM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] War crimes_who freed_197 war criminals and 193000 Pak Soldiers

Very interesting, Simla agreement done between India & Pakistan on July 2, 1972.
Bangladesh's Victory day was 16 December 1971. Should not this agreement be happened between newly liberated Bangladesh & defeated Pakistan.

Why Indira Gandhi taking making agreement with Bhutto and Seikh Mujib obliged to that agreement? It clearly shows, Seikh Mujib was an inapt & incompetent Prime Minister of Bangladesh!! General Niazi of Pak Army surrendered to Gen Aurora, and Indian forces   took all the arms left by Pakistan Army, woth millions of Dollars from the land of Bangladesh. Again, it was a diplomatic failure for Mujib to Indira Gandhi. It shows clearly, India is the clear winner, Indira Gandhi was looking at the future of her own country slicing Mujib into pieces. Later, Mujib-Indira agreement, another failure of Seikh Mujib, signed to protect Bangladesh - 25 years of slavery for Bangladesh.

Well, India always favored Awami League, because they can be acting as a puppet of India. Seikh Hasina definitely will continue the legacy of her father, a poodle of Indira Gandhi. Hasina's son was educated in India and she lived in India for many years, and it's time to pay back the debt!






--- On Sun, 3/29/09, Monirul Mirza <mqmirza@hotmail. com> wrote:

From: Monirul Mirza <mqmirza@hotmail. com>
Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] War crimes_who freed_197 war criminals and 193000 Pak Soldiers
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 8:12 AM

The following two agreements brought back 93,000 Pakistani soldiers (that include 195 identified war criminals) to Pakistan. Upon their return all of them ordered retired.
Return of the war criminals has nothing to do with the Geneva Convention.
 

Simla Agreement

July 2, 1972

The Simla Agreement signed by Prime Minister Indira Gandhi and President Zulfikar Ali Bhutto of Pakistan on 2nd July 1972 was much more than a peace treaty seeking to reverse the consequences of the 1971 war (i.e. to bring about withdrawals of troops and an exchange of PoWs).  It was a comprehensive blue print for good neighbourly relations between India and Pakistan. Under the Simla Agreement both countries undertook to abjure conflict and confrontation which had marred relations in the past, and to work towards the establishment of durable peace, friendship and cooperation.

The Simla Agreement contains a set of guiding principles, mutually agreed to by India and Pakistan, which both sides would adhere to while managing relations with each other.  These emphasize: respect for each other's territorial integrity and sovereignty; non-interference in each other's internal affairs; respect for each others unity, political independence; sovereign equality; and abjuring hostile propaganda.  The following principles of the Agreement are, however, particularly noteworthy:

• A mutual commitment to the peaceful resolution of all issues through direct bilateral approaches.
• To build the foundations of a cooperative relationship with special focus on people to people contacts.
• To uphold the inviolability of the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir, which is a most important CBM between India and Pakistan, and a key to durable peace.

India has faithfully observed the Simla Agreement in the conduct of its relations with Pakistan.

SIMLA  AGREEMENT

Agreement on Bilateral Relations Between The Government of India and The Government of Pakistan

1. The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan are resolved that the two countries put an end to the conflict and confrontation that have hitherto marred their relations and work for the promotion of a friendly and harmonious relationship and the establishment of durable peace in the sub-continent, so that both countries may henceforth devote their resources and energies to the pressing talk of advancing the welfare of their peoples.

In order to achieve this objective, the Government of India and the Government of Pakistan have agreed as follows:-

(i) That the principles and purposes of the Charter of the United Nations shall govern the relations between the two countries;

(ii) That the two countries are resolved to settle their differences by peaceful means through bilateral negotiations or by any other peaceful means mutually agreed upon between them.  Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peaceful and harmonious relations;

(iii) That the pre-requisite for reconciliation, good neighbourliness and durable peace between them is a commitment by both the countries to peaceful co-existence, respect for each other's territorial integrity and sovereignty and non-interference in each other's internal affairs, on the basis of equality and mutual benefit;

(iv) That the basic issues and causes of conflict which have bedevilled the relations between the two countries for the last 25 years shall be resolved by peaceful means;

(v) That they shall always respect each other's national unity, territorial integrity, political independence and sovereign equality;

(vi) That in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations they will refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of each other.

2. Both Governments will take all steps within their power to prevent hostile propaganda directed against each other.  Both countries will encourage the dissemination of such information as would promote the development of friendly relations between them.

3. In order progressively to restore and normalize relations between the two countries step by step, it was agreed that;

(i) Steps shall be taken to resume communications, postal, telegraphic, sea, land including border posts, and air links including overflights.

(ii) Appropriate steps shall be taken to promote travel facilities for the nationals of the other country.

(iii) Trade and co-operation in economic and other agreed fields will be resumed as far as possible.

(iv) Exchange in the fields of science and culture will be promoted.

In this connection delegations from the two countires will meet from time to time to work out the necessary details.

4. In order to initiate the process of the establishment of durable peace, both the Governments agree that:

(i) Indian and Pakistani forces shall be withdrawn to their side of the international border.

(ii) In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the cease-fire of December 17, 1971 shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side.  Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations.  Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this Line.

(iii) The withdrawals shall commence upon entry into force of this Agreement and shall be completed within a period of 30 days thereof.

5. This Agreement will be subject to ratification by both countries in accordance with their respective constitutional procedures, and will come into force with effect from the date on which the Instruments of Ratification are exchanged.
6. Both Governments agree that their respective Heads will meet again at a mutually convenient time in the future and that, in the meanwhile, the representatives of the two sides will meet to discuss further the modalities and arrangements for the establishment of durable peace and normalization of relations, including the questions of repatriation of prisoners of war and civilian internees, a final settlement of Jammu and Kashmir and the resumption of diplomatic relations.
 
Sd/-                                                                         Sd/-
(Indira Gandhi)                                                            (Zulfikar Ali Bhutto)
Prime Minister                                                                      President
Republic of India                                                     Islamic Republic of Pakistan

Simla, the 2nd July, 1972

 
AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN 
REGARDING REPATRIATION
OF PERSONS  
New Delhi, 28 August 1973

 Desirous of solving the humanitarian problems resulting from the conflict of 1971 and thus enabling the vast majority of human beings referred to in the Joint Indo-Bangladesh Declaration to go to their respective countries, India and Pakistan have reached the following agreement :

(i) The immediate implementation of the solution of these humanitarian problems is without prejudice to the respective positions of the Parties concerned relating to the case of 195 prisoners of war referred to in clauses (vi) and (vii) of this paragraph;

(ii) Subject to clause (i) repatriation of all Pakistani prisoners of war and civilian internees will commence from the utmost despatch as soon as logistic arrangements are completed and from a date to be settled by mutual agreement;

(iii) Simultaneously, the repatriation of all Bangalees in Pakistan, and all Pakistanis in Bangladesh referred to in clause (v) below, to their respective countries will commence;

(iv) In the matter of reparticiation of all categories of persons the principle of simultaneity will be observed throughout as far as possible;

(v) Without prejudice to the respective positions of Bangladesh and Pakistan on the question of non-Bangalees, who are stated to have "opted for repatriation to Pakistan", the Government of Pakistan guided by considerations of humanity, agrees, initially, to receive a substantial number of such non-Bangalees from Bangladesh.  It is further agreed that the Prime Ministers of Bangladesh and Pakistan or their designated representatives will thereafter meet to decide what additional number of persons, who may wish to migrate to Pakistan, may be permitted to do so.  Bangladesh has made it clear that it will participate in such a meeting only on the basis of sovereign equality;

(vi) Bangladesh agrees that no trials of the 195 prisoners of war shall take place during the entire period of repatriation and that pending the settlement envisaged in clause (vii) below these prisoners of war shall remain in India;

(vii) On completion of repartriation of Pakistan prisoners of war and civilian internees in India; Bangalees in Pakistan and Pakistanis in Bangladesh referred to in clause (v) above, or earlier, if they so agree, Bangladesh, India and Pakistan will discuss and settle the question of 195 prisoners of war.  bangladesh has made it clear that it can participate in such a meeting only on the basis of sovereign equality.

 The Special representatives are confident that the completion of repatriation provided for in this Agreement would make a signal contribution to the promotion of reconciliation in the sub-continent and create an atmosphere favorable to a constructive outcome of the meeting of the three countries;

(viii) The time schedule for the completion of repatriation of the Pakistani prisoners of war and civilian internees from India, the Bangalees from Pakistan and the Pakistanis referred to in clause (v) above from Bangladesh, will be worked out by India in consultation with Bangladesh and Pakistan, as the case may be.  The Government of India will make the logistic arrangements for the Pakistani prisoners of war and civilian internees who are to be repatriated to Pakistan.  The Government of Pakistan will make logistic arrangements within its territory upto agreed points of exit for the repatriation of Bangladesh nationals to Bangladesh.  The Government of Bangladesh will make necessary arrangements for the transport of these persons from such agreed points of exit to Bangladesh.  The Government of Bangladesh will make logistic arrangements within its territory upto agreed points of exit for the movement of the Pakistanis referred to in clause (v) above who will go to Pakistan.  The Government of Pakistan will make necessary arrangements for the transport of these persons from such agreed points of exit to Pakistan.  In making logistic arrangements the Governments concerned may seek the assistance of international humanitarian organisations and others;

(ix) For the purpose of facilitating the repatriation provided for in this Agreement, the representatives of the Swiss Federal Government and any international humanitarian organisation entrusted with this task shall have unrestricted access at all times to Bangalees in Pakistan and to Pakistanis in Bangladesh referred to in clause (v) above.  The Government of Bangladesh and the Government of Pakistan will provide all assistance and facilities to such representatives in this regard including facilities for adequate publicity for the benefit of the persons entitled to repatriation under this Agreement;

(x) All persons to be repatriated in accordance with this Agreement will be treated with humanity and consideration.

 The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan have concurred in this Agreement.  The Special Representative of the Prime Minister of India, having consulted the Government of Bangladesh has also conveyed the concurrence of Bangladesh Government in this Agreement.

 DONE in New Delhi on August 28, 1973 in three originals, all of which are equally authentic.

Sd/-                                                                      Sd/-
P.N.HAKSAR                                                            AZIZ AHMED
Special Representative                                              Minister of State for Defence
of the Prime Minister of India                                      and Foreign Affairs, 
                                                                            Government of Pakistan






 

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From: thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:37:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] War crimes_who freed_197 war criminals and 193000 Pak Soldiers

One thing we have plenty of in Bangladesh, Human Rights Advocates and Activists! It's a good thing I suppose. But I digress...
 
Mr. Sadik:
 
Would you kindly indulge us on how or from whom you "heard" that interesting theory? Not sure what new theory you are trying to imply here, but let's get some facts here. There were 93,000 (not 1,93,000) Paki POWs after Niazi and Aurora signed the treaty on Dec 16, 1971. Some of them were still in Indian captivity until 1973. The surrender document also states that both Bangladesh and India would treat Paki POWs according to the Geneva Convention, and the release of the prisoners was part of the Protocol 3 of the Geneva Convention.
 
Hope this helps?
 
Cyrus


From: Shahid Sadik <shahid123sadik@ yahoo.com>
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Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 2:08:24 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] War crimes_who freed_197 war criminals and 193000 Pak Soldiers

Dear friends,

 

It is heard that Sheikh Mujibur Rahaman with the help of Dr. Kamal Hossain and associates have done everything to free 195 proven war criminals including 1,93,000 Pakistani soldiers most of them directly had killed the freedom fighters and Bengalis.

 

Is it true? Please let us know more documents & information if you have any.

 

 

Thank you,  

 

Shahid Sadik

Human Rights Activist






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