>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to invest in current madrassa education system and turn it into a "Modern education system". Essentially an "Upgrade" of Madrassa system. So a madrassa educated person can obtain a job in computer field or applied physics (In addition of having basic Islamic education).
There are some great models of this concept all over the world and they are doing very well in England, USA, Canada and India.
Do understand we don't have any modern university in our country. So we also have to "Upgrade" our secular system. For example, Dhaka University has hardly any basic research in science or publish very few papers in philosophy, science etc.
I don't want any fanatics (Fanatically secular or religious) in power. Because they tend to run on emotion rather than knowledge, data or proper direction.
Shalom!
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Subject: [mukto-mona] Fd: [ History Islam & Beyond . . .] Where do Muslims Stand?
Shalom!
Where do Muslims Stand?
# In the 2000 to 2009 period Turkey's output of scientific papers rose from barely 5,000 to 22,000; with less cash, Iran's went up 1,300, to nearly 15,000.
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Re: [mukto-mona] Fd: [ History Islam & Beyond . . .] Where do Muslims Stand?
For example, do you want to prioritize the Madrassa education system or modern education system?
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Mr. Rahman
You are right. The colonial masters' tendency was always to produce "clerks". Freedom provides opportunities to the governments to formulate their own education policy. But freedom is not sufficient. The kind of education policy to be adopted and the allocation of funds in logistics and different sectors depends on the political will and philosophy of the ruling party of the country. For example, do you want to prioritize the Madrassa education system or modern education system? Take an example from Pakistan. Prof. Salam could become "a Prof. Salam" only by leaving Pakistan. He even was ex-communicated from the mainstream Muslim community. This is still true that the talented Muslims (and Hindus, Buddhists, etc. also for that matter) from the developing countries prosper academically by going to a Christian dominated developed country. Look at all the Nobel Laureates in Science from India. C. V. Raman seems to be the only exception. Probably Jagadish Bose's pioneering work can be at least partially tied to his stay in England.
Yes, the bottom line is that people of all religions including Islam from the developing countries in the post-colonial period will have more and more contributions in science and other fields of education. But we have to guard against any conspiracies that will prevent the common people from getting free and secular education in all branches of knowledge. We have to be aware of the religiously fanatic groups that are in power and will be in power.
From: QR <qrahman@netscape.net>
I have been often asked about Muslims and education. I have answered that, we were colonies of other countries in most parts of last 200-300 years, so we are starting new in field of science. Hope members will get some solid data from the article below.
-8:51 pm Subject: [ History Islam & Beyond . . .] Where do Muslims Stand?
Scientific Research and Development
# Muslims constitute around 23% of the world population and number around 1.7 billion.
* Jews are merely 14 million. Thus for every single Jew, there are more than 100 Muslims.
# Muslims have produced only two Nobel Laureates in Physics, Chemistry and Medicine. Both received their Nobel prize after moving to the West. The only living Muslim Nobel Laureate is Egyptian born Ahmed Hassan Zewail who works at Caltech, California.
* The tiny Jewish community has produced 79 Nobel Laureates in these disciplines.
# There are 57 member-states of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC). They spend only 0.81% of their GDP on research and development, just about a third of the world average.
* Only Jewish state in the world, Israel spends 4.4% of its GDP. The US spends 2.9% of its GDP. Going by the size of the American economy, it is a huge amount.
# In 20 years-between 1980 and 2000—Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, the UAE and Syria could register merely 367 patents.
* Their chief foe Israel registered 7,652 patents while tiny South Korea had 16,328 patents.
# The number of scientists and engineers working in R&D in Arab countries is not more than 371 per million citizens while the global ratio is 979 per million. Arabs constitute 5% of the world population but produce only 1.1% of the books, most of which is religious literature. In 2005, Harvard University produced more scientific papers than 17 Arabic-speaking countries combined.
# No major invention has emerged from the Muslim world for the last five centuries. In numerical terms, 41 predominantly Muslim countries with about 20% of the world's total population generate less than 5% of its scientific output, going by the proportion of citations of articles published in international science journals. A study by academics at the International Islamic University Malaysia showed that OIC countries have 8.5 scientists, engineers, and technicians per 1,000 population, compared with a world average of 40.7, and 139.3 for countries of the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development. (For more on the OECD, (see http://www.oecd.org/.)
# Forty-six Muslim countries contributed 1.17% of the world's science literature. Twenty Arab countries contributed 0.55%.
* Whereas 0.89% were contributed by Israel, 1.66 per cent came from India alone and 1.48% from Spain. Is the Tide Turning?
# Yes, if the latest trends emerging from the Muslim world are to be believed. A report in a recent issue of The Economist says a Muslim scientific awakening is underway. What are the pointers?
# The rulers of neighboring Qatar are bumping up research spending from 0.8% to a planned 2.8% of GDP: depending on growth, that could reach $5 billion a year.
# Research spending in Turkey increased by over 10% each year between 2005 and 2010, by which year its cash outlays were twice Norway's.
# Quantity does not imply quality, but the papers are getting better, too. Scientific journals, and not just the few based in the Islamic world, are citing these papers more frequently. A study in 2011 by Thomson Reuters, an information firm, shows that in the early 1990s other publishers cited scientific papers from Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey (the most prolific Muslim countries) four times less often than the global average. By 2009 it was only half as often.
# In the category of best-regarded mathematics papers, Iran now performs well above average, with 1.7% of its papers among the most-cited 1%, with Egypt and Saudi Arabia also doing well. Turkey scores highly on engineering.
# In 2000 SESAME, an international physics laboratory with the Middle East's first particle accelerator, was set up in Jordan. It is modeled on CERN, Europe's particle-physics laboratory. Surprisingly, the laboratory has scientists from Iran, Israel and from Palestinian areas. Is there anything in Islam that hinders Scientific Growth?
# The fact that Muslims ruled the world of science from 8th to 13th century while Europe was groping in the darkness disproves that Islam is in anyway responsible in hindering the growth of science and technology. It was during this period that great scientists such as Avicenna (Ibne Sina), Averroes (Ibn e Rushd), Farabius (Al-Farabi), Al-Kindi, Ibn al-Haitham, Al-Khwarizmi (Algorithms is named after him) advanced scientific research in places like Baghdad, Syria, Cairo, Andalus (Spain) and Persia.
# Scientists doing research in engineering, mathematics, physics, chemistry and astronomy face no problem. But the same cannot be said about biological sciences, medicine and surgery where several Islamic concepts collide with religion. Even the most enlightened Muslims are troubled by the notion that humans share a common ancestor with apes. Research published in 2008 by Salman Hameed of Hampshire College in Massachusetts, a Pakistani astronomer who now studies Muslim attitudes to science, found that fewer than 20% in Indonesia, Malaysia or Pakistan believed in Darwin's theories. In Egypt it was just 8%. However, in this context, some Christians have a similar approach.
# But Islamic standpoint is more progressive and helpful in certain fields. For instance, in the US, researchers wanting to use embryonic stem cells have had to battle pro-life Christian conservatives and a federal ban on funding for their field. But according to Islam, the soul does not enter the fetus until between 40 and 120 days after conception—so scientists at the Royan Institute in Iran are able to carry out stem-cell research without attracting censure.
# Now that the Arab Spring has brought about political changes in the Arab world, it is expected that restriction on freedom of thought will be done away with. (Source: Most statistics have been extracted from various articles of Prof. Pervez Hoodbhoy, Quaid e Azam University, Islamabad, Pakistan; Maqbool Ahmed Siraj's article titled "Rhetoric, False Hopes Feed the Ummah" and "Islam and Science: The Road to Renewal", The Economist, print edition January 26, 2013)
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