Not really. It had proven that Greed of Money and Hunger for abosolute Power of Islamabad was above and beyond Islam and Patriotism to country, when it had revolted against 56% of Pakistani citizens, founders of the Political Party that had formed the country and had ended slavery of Hindu and Sikh Landlords for Punjab's masses, to which 85% of the Pak Army Generals themsevles belonged to. They had acted like living gods of Pakistan and never quitted doing that even after.
--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Jimmy Jumshade <jimmybug@rocketmail.com> wrote:
Sooooooo what if they surrendered??!! They did the right thing for no army in the world would have won in similar situation. No army in the world. Facing 70 Million hatred filled rabid Bengalees....rabid West Pakistani killing Awami-League MOBS....fully armed para-military Forces, Bengalee Police, Fully armed & trained over 50,000 former members of the Pakistan Army, East Pakistan Rifles & the Bengal Regiments gone traitor,Who killed fellow Officers while they slept, along with full might of the Indian Armed Forces.
The "East Pakistan tragedy" proved nothing except that organized propaganda really works & that "Bengalee nationalism is above & beyond Religion & Country.................
--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan <srbanunz@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mr. Turkman,
Through the illogical, nonsense reply with incorrect information and facts,
Sajjad has again strongly proved that he is a notorious liar as well as an
illiterate!
There are hundreds of references on "unconditional surrender" of
about
93,000 numbers of Pakistani on 16th December 1971 on the soil of Bangladesh,
on the different news paper, books, web;
It was the first open surrender of a regular army and the second largest
after World War II.
Brave freedom Fihgter Air Vice Marshals A.K. Khondoker, deputy chief of the
Bangladesh liberation forces during the 1971 war (he was then made Air Chief
of Bangladesh), represented the Mukhti Bahini at the surrender ceremony at
the Race Course (now Suhrawardi Uddyan) on the 16th Decemebr 1971, as Coln
Osamni, Chief of the Bangladesh liberation forces during the 1971, was not
readily avalble and helicopter carrying him was shot & ambushed by Paki
Army
The total number of uniformed personnel were about 80,000 (consist of Army
&
paramilitary, police) and about 12,000 were civilian. About 800 PAF and 1000
Pakistani Navy personnel also surrenderd. (Ref: The The Hamood-ur-Rahman
Commission Report [1971] instituted by Pakistan Govt)
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PakistanPoW.jpg>
Even a Pakistani stamp was made by its Govt depicting the 90,000 POWs in
Indian camps. This stamp was issued with the political aim of raising global
awareness of the POW issue to help secure their release.
(PDF file is Attached)
Pakistan based author Tariq Ali writes, *"**Pakistan** lost half its navy,
a
quarter of its airforce and a third of its army."*
Still this Paki, we call them NaPaki (polluted, contaminated) liar denies
and insists 65,000 number Paki troops (toatal) were in Bangladesh (the
then East
Pakistan), then how 90000 POW were ther?.
What a open lie!
Now if this liar denies, then what can we do?
So, any logical and rational person should not waste their time and merit by
responding such garbage of a proven & traditional liar!
So, leave that proven & traditional liar. Unfortunately most of the NaPaki
are same; and concentrate on other truth and facts!
Joy Bangla
(Your paki troops and supporters used to afraid this slogan more than any
thing during 1971 war!)
Shafiqur Rahman Bhuiyan (ANU)
NEW ZEALAND.
Phone: 00-64-9-828 2435 (Res), 00-64-0274 500 277 (mobile)
E-mail: srbanunz@gmail.com
N.B.: If any one is offended by content of this e-mail, please ignore &
delete this e-mail. I also request you to inform me by an e- mail - to
delete your name from my contact list.
On 9/10/08, S Turkman <turkman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Mr. Bhuiyan, This is 2nd time this has been posted that there were
> 65,000 Pak Troops in East Pakistan. Please try to understand ...!
>
> Its also possible that less than 65,000 Troops were arrested but 93,000
> were released a few years later because they had given birth to more than
> 28,000, while they were in Indian Jail.
> Posted by: "Engr. Shafiq Bhuiyan" srbanunz@gmail.com
>
<http://us.mc815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=srbanunz@gmail.com&Subject=+Re%3A%20%5BALOCHONA%5D%20Re%3A%20Pakistan%20Army%20%28Pvt%29%20Ltd%2E%20-%20Businessmen%20at%20their%20B>
Tue
> Sep 9, 2008 4:23 am (PDT) Mr. Sajjad, either you are a notorious liar or
> complete illiterate!
>
> You wrote,
>
> *"In 1971, **Pakistan** had only less than 65,000 troops in **East
> Pakistan*
> *".*
>
> This is a broad day lie.
>
> In 16th December, 1971 around 93,000 Paki troops had surrendered to
> Bangladesh - India joint command unconditionally and cowardly!
>
> (Still this is a world record)
>
> If there were only 65,000 troops then how 93,000 Paki troops surrendered?
>
> Do you know how many thousand Paki troops (starting from Colonel to
> ordinary
> SEPAI) were killed by our brave MUKTI BAHINI?
>
> Yes, I agree Paki troops are expert in killing unarmed - innocent
civilian,
> like they killed innocent & unarmed Bangalee in Bangladesh, Balooch in
> Baluchistan, Pathan in NWFP!
>
> They are 'rat' against any regular army, even to Bangalee MUKTI
BAHINI (90%
> of them were young man having only 4 to 8 weeks light and nominal
training)
> no previous military training or experience
>
> In other place you wrote,
>
> *"Where small Pakistani army was already engaged with limited
> amunation. Without
> Air and Naval support and without amunation supply line"*
>
> Why?
>
> Bangladesh was mostly populated part (54% of total) of the then total
> Pakistan and most of the foreign exchanged were earned from the product of
> Bangladesh (Jute etc) and most of the meritorious and intelligent people
of
> Pakistan were from Bangladesh part and we were superior to you in all good
> aspect!
>
> Then why there was "small army"?
>
> Then why there was no "Air and Naval support"?
>
> Then why there was no proper "ammunition supply"?
>
> Because most of the Paki people, ruler, and military are:
>
> - Liar
> - Killer
> - Rapist
> - Cheat
> - Immoral
> - Exploiter
> - Conspirator
>
> That is why we defeated you!
>
> We broke your Pakistan into pieces!
>
> We are now much better off than you and we are going forward (may be at
> less
> pace), but not going backward like you!
>
> So, leave us and do not intermingle with Bangladesh and Bangalee
>
> and
>
> Oil your own old and ruined machine
>
> Joy Bangla
>
> (Your paki troops and supporters used to afraid this slogan more than any
> thing during 1971 war!)
>
> Shafiqur Rahman Bhuiyan (ANU)
> NEW ZEALAND.
>
> Phone: 00-64-9-828 2435 (Res), 00-64-0274 500 277 (mobile)
> E-mail: srbanunz@gmail.
com<http://us.mc815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=srbanunz%40gmail.com>
>
> N.B.: If any one is offended by content of this e-mail, please ignore
&
> delete this e-mail. I also request you to inform me by an e- mail - to
> delete your name from my contact list.
>
> On 9/9/08, Saj <SAJJAD_PAK@hotmail.
com<http://us.mc815.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SAJJAD_PAK%40hotmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Musa
> >
> > Be honest and read your post and then tell us who is taking drugs?
> >
> > Well, I can still go on with you. But you promise with me that you
will
> not
> > runaway this time too. As you once did in the past.
> >
> > In 1971, Pakistan had only less than 65,000 troops in East Pakistan.
This
> > small army need to fight on multiple ends at the same time. It had
> maintain
> > peace and law & order at any cost within the country. Then it had
to take
> > down the armed personal, prepared by India and thirdly and most
> importantly
> > it had to handle the regular army of India. For your bad information,
Mr.
> > Musa, Guerilla war is totally different than the regular war. Only a
> regular
> > armies capture enemies' territories. Guerilla warriors only hit
and run.
> > Pakistan army did not lost in front of so called guerillas, anyway.
It
> was
> > full fledge Indian invasion of East Pakistan, where they crossed the
> > international borders, entered in Pakistan's territories and made
their
> > advancements towards the capital. Where small Pakistani army was
already
> > engaged with limited amunation. Without Air and Naval support and
without
> > amunation supply line, it is always impossible to carry on war at
> multiple
> > ends, at the same time. Technically, it could be the mis-management
of
> > Pakistan of its military presence in East Pakistan. But it could
never be
> > claimed as military victory either by India or Bangladesh.
> >
> > As far as Kargil is concern, It could only be a fool's view
point, that
> > Pakistan Army lost in Kargil. Forget all other things and tell us
that
> when
> > Kargil war started, how many war tax Pakistan had imposed on
Pakistani
> > nation and how much war tax imposed by Indian government on indians?
IF
> YOU
> > BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE SO RIGHT, THAN DO NOT TRY TO RUN AWAY FROM THIS
> SINGLE
> > QUESTION.
> >
> > Go and read newspapers of the days of Kargil war and list the number
of
> > casualities on both sides and let us know. Additionally, and again
for
> your
> > bad information, Mr. Musa, India lost many fighter jets in Kargil,
while
> > Pakistan Air Force was totally out of this war, not a single flight
by
> > Pakistan Air Force. What you say on this.
> >
> > It will always remain funny to you. Whenever will show you the truth
you
> > will always say this. Don't worry.
> >
> > It is not necessary that Pakistanis and Russians engage in actual and
> face
> > to face war to determine which military is superior. I think you are
> taking
> > the example of China-India war in mind, where Chinese military beated
> like a
> > dog to the Indians. Am I right? In Afghanistan, Pakistan was fighting
the
> > war of its own survival. The leadership of that time clearly looking
USSR
> as
> > taking over Pakistan too. If they had allowed to consolidate thier
> military
> > presence in Afghanista. So Pakistan decided not to allow them to
> consolidate
> > in Afghanistan. The whole Guerilla war was planned and carried on by
> > Pakistani Intelligence Agencies and mainly under the command of
General
> > Akhtar Abdur Rahman. Search his name in the google and find out by
> yourself.
> > This is not necessary that I waste my time to educate the hate monger
> like
> > you.
> >
> > And your great last para. Need proof? OK. here it is. Read the
following
> > links and tell us that are these not solid enough for you to believe?
Or
> I
> > need to send Pakistan's Army Chief at your homes with all CDs of
> Pakistani
> > movies to show you that Pakistan, unlike Indians, had never ever felt
a
> need
> > to make movies like them to get more recruites.
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