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Wednesday, September 10, 2008

Re: [ALOCHONA] More than 75% Indians live below poverty line

Mr. Ali:

 

Several sources, actually. The Purchasing Power Parity (2006 estimated) of India is $4.156 trillion (CIA Factbook). By July 2007, India's stock market capitalization rose to over $944 billion and was expected to cross $1.1 Trillion by the end of the year (Morgan Stanley). IMF reported in 2007 that India's GDP (PPP) is $2.818 Trillion, while World Bank reported that India's GDP (PPP) for the same year is $3.092 Trillion.

 

Please note that while the fundamentals of GDP (PPP) calculations are the same, from macroecnomic point of view, each of these sources (i.e. World Bank, IMF, et. al.) consider different independent variables that contribute to the GDP.

 

Cyrus



----- Original Message ----
From: Nasir Ali <nawshad1@yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:44:31 AM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] More than 75% Indians live below poverty line

Hi all,
 
I just got curious. Where did you get this figure that India's GDP is 3 trillion dollars. Please give me reference.
 
Thanks
 
Ali

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Saj <SAJJAD_PAK@HOTMAIL. COM> wrote:
From: Saj <SAJJAD_PAK@HOTMAIL. COM>
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] More than 75% Indians live below poverty line
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Cc: "Pakistan Zindabad" <pakistan-zindabad@ yahoogroups. com>, "Pakistan Post" <pakistanpost@ yahoogroups. com>, "Pakistan Front" <pakistanFront@ yahoogroups. com>, "Pak India Panel" <pakindiapenpals@ yahoogroups. com>, "Pak Hope" <pakhope@yahoogroups .com>
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 10:33 AM

Very funny.....
 
To whom you are responding? Where did you read statistics in my post, which you responding. Those who read your post, would be laughing on you. See who is saying what and then speak.
 
Anyway, if India and Pakistan thread is not appropriate than why did YOU argued? Well, let's have a little analysis of your insertions.
 
Yes, India has greatest democracy and now a days, Christians are enjoying this greatest democracy. Before them Muslims were tasting this democracy in Gujrat and elsewhere in India. By the way, Muslims are enjoying this democracy from the very first day. Did you notice the wonderful and beautiful treatment of Sikhs by this democratic country? I am sure you still remember that.
 
Yes, India's GDP is 3 trillion dollar. In the meanwhile, do you know, 1.5 trillion dollars of looted money is also present in Swiss banks. This is the money which had been looted by Indian politicians, military servants, civil servants etc etc. Please also note that his looted money is almost 50% of India's total GDP. Indians would feel proud of it. Isn't it?
 
Growing middle class.... yes growing middle class. Where India's population is increasing by millions every year, few of the poors of India manage to upgrade their social status and thus become a honorary member of so called middle class. Now, no doubt that the numbers of poors are increasing more than the number of middle class. But the reality is that middle class is increasing. Yes, yes and yes. It is increasing. With hundreds of billions dollars in foreign reserves, with hundreds of billion dollars in export, with thousands of billion dollars in Swiss banks and with 3 trillion billion dollars GDP, India is narrowly ahead of Pakistan in Per capita national income, government offers packages and incentives to the public to use government toilets just because they need to collect the samples or something else. I am sure that these payments of few rupees in a year will help to further increase the middle class.
 
World class education system and high literacy rates. Yes, this is also true. Those who do not have proper toilet facilities in their homes are well educated. Thanks to the Indian education system. Those, who sleep under open air and with dinner also very educated and do not sleep in the middle of the roads to show their civilised behaviours, those hundreds of millions of Indians are also well educated who are living below poverty line, those who killed just because they were Christians or Muslims or Sikhs but not Hindus, were also well educated etc etc.
 
And oh, I forgot to mention that India cannot obliterate Pakistan with its so called nuclear arsenal. As India will also have to face the same fate. Do you know the difference between the population of India and Pakistan? If one Pakistan will die in nuclear attack than 10 Indians will die in nuclear attack. India can target the whole Pakistan, infect only 160 people with its nuclear arsenal. But on the other hand, more than half of the Indian population is well in the range of Pakistan. What does it mean? Will you please dare to tell us? A hell not. Additionally, Pakistan's nuclear program is more sophisticated and advance than the Indian. India needs to wait for for good 10 years to overtake Pakistan. But until then..... hehehe
 
It is difficult to determine the actual size and composition of India's and Pakistan's nuclear arsenals, but NRDC estimates that both countries have a total of 50 to 75 weapons. Contrary to the conventional wisdom, we believe India has about 30 to 35 nuclear warheads, slightly fewer than Pakistan, which may have as many as 48.
 
.....
 

Estimated nuclear casualties for attacks on 10 large Indian and Pakistani cities
City Name Total Population Within 5 Kilometres of Ground Zero Number of Persons Killed Number of Persons Severely Injured Number of Persons Slightly Injured
India
Ban 3,077,937 314,978 175,136 411,336
Bombay 3,143,284 477,713 228,648 476,633
Calcutta 3,520,344 357,202 198,218 466,336
Madras 3,252,628 364,291 196,226 448,948
New Delhi 1,638,744 176,518 94,231 217,853
Total India 14,632,937 1,690,702 892,459 2,021,106
Pakistan
Faisalabad 2,376,478 336,239 174,351 373,967
Islamabad 798,583 154,067 66,744 129,935
Karachi 1,962,458 239,643 126,810 283,290
Lahore 2,682,092 258,139 149,649 354,095
Rawalpindi 1,589,828 183,791 96,846 220,585
Total Pakistan 9,409,439 1,171,879 614,400 1,361,872
India and Pakistan
Total 24,042,376 2,862,581 1,506,859 3,382,978
 
 
So, Mr, Cyrus, who will obliterate who? There are hundreds of such research reports and articles are available over the internet. Increase your knowledge first and then speak. Additionally, geographical location of Pakistan also give certain advantage to us. If India every used Nuclear weapons against Pakistan and even if Pakistan do not respond, even then, India will have to face circumstances in the future and these suffering will start within few months. While most of the Indian targets are far away from Pakistani territories. So little need to worry about it. So, what I said, learn then speak. And Let's face it.
 
India's influence is already in danger. Did you read the news that Pakistan already supporting Srilanka in their efforts to take down separatists, prepared and planted by Indian Intelligence agencies. Do you know that Pakistan send almost three shiploads every month to them? India's presence in Afghanistan is only because of the Americans. how long they gonna stay there and how long India will be present in Afghanistan. Then Let's talk about Bangladesh. Bangladesh is not ready to accept the supremacy of India. And making its own independent foreign policy. India's wish to become a regional power is just a dream of the fool. That country could never become a regional power, who invest more than half of its military in such a tiny area like the valley of Kashmir. More than 7,00,000 Indian army men are their and this is not it. They conduct fake battles with bogus insurgents and obtains medals and promotions. And also kill each other and their seniors too. This can't be the characteristic of the regional power. Isn't it? Forget about the China, which is building its naval presence in the region. India simply cannot compete them. What you say?
 
I do not have to do pro-Pakistan propaganda. The fact is that the world have more information available than me. Whatever, you will write here will crosschecked over internet and People will automatically come to know that who id propagandists and who is not.
 
Our neighbour can not simply do it. Instead the intellectuals of our neighbours are telling us something very interesting. Did you read something about what they saying? Read the following
 
Kalki Autar Aur Mohammad
 
Ready and enjoy.
 
Asalam Alaikum to all Hindus and have a nice time.
 
Your Muslim Brother
 
Saj
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Cyrus
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:23 AM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] More than 75% Indians live below poverty line

Yes...like all countries, India has its home grown problems, and no I am not referring to sparks of religious and communal intolerance or rampant poverty. But India is also the largest democracy, with a GDP of almost $3 Trillion, a growing middle-class, world-class education system, world-class technology sector, better infrastructure than most South Asian countries, more literacy rate relative to its massive population, and oh did I mention that it can obliterate Pakistan with its nuclear arsenal? Let's face it. Geographically, we cannot ever shake-off the influence of India. Might as well deal with the situation and advance our own country.
 
On a separate note, stop the pro-Pakistani propaganda. Bangladesh needs to make its own mark. Why are we even talking about India or Pakistan in this forum? Got nothing productive to talk about Bangladesh? I am just tired of people's pro-Islamic bent 24/7. If you need spiritual redemption that much, go hide from the civilization. If your faith is really that flimsy that your neighbor could "force" you to convert, then you should worry about your own sanity. This is not a India-bashing forum. You would be welcomed in any other place, I am sure.
 
By the way, the economic data that you present have little or no validation when it comes to evaluating the overall socio-economic indicators of India. I suggest, for once, you pick up the "Post American World" by Fareed Zakaria and read the sections about India instead of reading baseless theories by pseudo intellectuals. Judge for yourself!

Cyrus Zulkarnaian Kazi


----- Original Message ----
From: Saj <SAJJAD_PAK@HOTMAIL. COM>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Cc: Pakistan Front <pakistanFront@ yahoogroups. com>; bd_mailer@yahoo. com; zoglul@hotmail. co.uk; rehman.mohammad@ gmail.com; premlaliguras@ hotmail.com; Bangladesh Researchers <bdresearchers@ yahoogroups. com>; mahmudurart@ yahoo.com; rivercrossinternati onal@yahoo. com; Bangla Vision <bangla-vision@ yahoogroups. com>; rezwansiddique@ yahoo.com; farhadmazhar@ hotmail.com; shahin72@gmail. com
Sent: Monday, September 1, 2008 10:40:10 AM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] More than 75% Indians live below poverty line

Dear Isha Khan.
 
Though the story of the poverty in India is true and the living conditions of good portion of there population are something more than worse. I do not believe that you need to copy paste the information, which is provided by the nut and world's most stupid person.
 
Mohammad Javed Iqbal, whose posts you copied here, claim that he was used to write articles in Daily Jang, which is very famous newspaper in Pakistan. Like S Turkman, his posts are also available in the archive of yahoo based group, PakistanFront. He is, infect, not a real person but a fake Pakistani. He introduced himself as a Column writer in daily Jang and then he tried to frustrate the group members by saying that all of us should go to Jang building in Islamabad and destroy it. Later, he banned from PakistanFront.
 
His tactics are very complicated, you can't read and understand him. He will write One thousands lines of true Islam and then will put his real massage somewhere into it. Similarly, now a days, he is intending to make as much reputation as possible. So that he can use such reputation for his hidden purpose. If you only SEARCH his name in google etc. I am sure you will find enough material about him.
 
I know that you do not really know about him. He made himself disputed by planting hate, frustration in the people. Once caught red handed, he is, since then, writing about Islam and the greatness of Pakistan and writing smilar articles about India. So, please be carefull about him and do not forward his massages or atleast read the contents carefully and then forward. He does not deserve it, by the way.
 
If you want to know more about him, please use google and search for his name. Read his posts all around the yahoo groups and many other forum like websites and observe by yourself. That, is this the way, someone present his country and people.
 
Thanks.
 
Saj
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Isha Khan
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: [ALOCHONA] More than 75% Indians live below poverty line



--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Muhammad Javed Iqbal <javediqbalkaleem@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Muhammad Javed Iqbal javediqbalkaleem@ yahoo.com

Subject: [notun_bangladesh] More than 75% Indians live below poverty line

Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 12:22 AM

My heart bleeds for the Indian poor. Almost 90% Indians live below
poverty line. The government of India is callous and shameless when
it comes to rescuing its poors. To hide facts, it has arbitarily
fixed the povertyline at Rs 10 per day, whereas the standard fixed
by world bank and asian bank was US $ 1 which has now been increased
to 1.35 dollars due to increasing food prices.

I wonder how ungrteful and thankless we Pakistanis are who are far
more better off than the Indians.

Whereas the minimum wage in Paksitan is Rs 6000, Government of
India has fixed it at Rs 1250. No wonder, many emploees of Indian
government live below poverty line, not to speak of millions who
work in un-organized sectors or are unemployed. India's
population living below povertyline exceeds 90% because now the
Asian Bank has fixed povertyline at Us $ 1.35 per day per person.
An Indian expert has calculated Indian poverty in the
following manner:

No. Earnings of diffrent types of employees in India Converted into
Rs./month
1. Average cost of employee* in Air-India Rs. 53,000
2. Average cost of employee* in MARUTI UDYOG Rs. 24,000
3. Average cost of employee* in the MUMBAI MUNICIPAL CORP. Rs.
16,000
4. Minimum starting salary in the FIRE Dept. in Mumbai Rs. 7,000
5. Average earning of an Indian - US$ 440 per year or about (This is
based on a GDP of US$ 440 billion
and 1 billion people) Rs. 1,727
6. Minimum earning required, as per WORLD BANK, to live at above
poverty line, for underdeveloped
countries like India, China etc, about US$ 1.0 per day or US$ 30 per
month Rs. 1,410
7. MINIMUM WAGES, as per Government of India, for all the States,
about Rs. 40 to 60 per day per
person, average about Rs. 50 per day. For 25 days per month Rs.
1,250
8. POVERTY LINE definition, as per Government of India, see below
for
explanation, at Rs. 10 per day,
per person, approx. Rs. 300
Other related & relevant data In millions, people
9. Number of people, in India, who are below poverty line About 300
million (30 Cr.)
10. Number of people, in India, who work in the organized Public
Sector, i.e. with the Central and State
Government About 19 million (1.9 Cr.)
11. Number of people, in India, who work in the organized Private
Secto About 8 million (0.8 Cr.)
12. Number of people, in India, who work in the unorganized Sector
About 320 million (32 Cr.)
13. Number of people, in India, who are unemployed approximately
About
300 million (30 Cr.)
14. Number of JOBS which need to be created every year, to fulfill
the
aspirations of the people of India
About 10 million/yr. (1 Cr.)
15. Number of people BORN every year in India (China is only 10
million per yea About 27 million/yr. (2.7 Cr.)
16. Number of people, in India, who are below 35 years of age About
700 million (70 Cr.)

1. About us The World Bank's definition of the poverty line**, for
under developed countries, like India, is US$ 1/day/person
or US $365 per year. As per this definition, more than 75% of all
Indians are, probably, below the poverty line!
As per the Government of India, poverty line for the urban areas is
Rs. 296 per month and for rural areas Rs. 276
per month, i.e. people in India who earn less than Rs. 10 per day.
As per GOI, this amount will buy food
equivalent to 2200 calories per day, medically enough, to prevent
death. At this level of earning, even in a poor
country like India, survival on Rs. 10 per day is a nightmare! This
actually translates to Rs. 3650 per year or US $ 75 per year.
On what basis have our planners decided this definition of "Poverty
Line"? Does it mean that the person will get enough food to stay
alive? How and where is he or she supposed to cook it? What about
the minimum needs in education, housing, health services,
clothing,and other basic necessities? Are we supposed to live on
pavements and sleep under trees from birth till death? YOU BE THE
JUDGE!
The minimum wages in India, vary from state to state and city to
city, and average Rs. 1000 - 1250/month or
Rs. 12,000 - 15,000/yr. Or US $ 250 - US $ 300/yr. India's per
capita is US $ 440 per year. (China's is US $ 990).
If India could provide Roads, Electricity, TV's and Telephones in
every village, it would improve, education, health,
family planning, agriculture, animal husbandry, GDP and reduce
migration from vllages to cities.

*Cost of employee = salary & wages + all allowances including
housing + perks + retirement benefits.

**1 million = 1,000,000 or 10 lacs. 1 lac = 1,00,000. 1 crore = 10
million = 1,00,00,000.

To verify you can look at this link:

http://www.wakeupca ll.org/administr ation_in_ india/poverty_ line.php

M .Javed Iqbal





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