I agree with turkman.
Shamim
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "turkman@..." <turkman@...> wrote:
>
> No sir,
>
> Freedom of Speech does not mean issuing Islamic Orders through a
> FaTwah or Edict and create a religious mess in Islamic nations of
> Illiterates especially, when Religious Authority is being used in
> 100% Non Democrative, 100% Religious Saudi Arabia.
>
> --- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, "Mohd. Haque" haquetm83@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Being a Muslim I have taken what the so called Saudi scholar said
> as an opinion, I wouldn’t take it as fatwa (Islamic ruling)
though
> as mentioned he is from the fiqh academy. Even if he had claimed it
> as fatwa, yet it wouldn’t bother me much. When it is a human
> judgment it should have its limitation and you weigh his opinion
> according to your own understanding on the matter.
> > The Holy Quran prescribe Freedom of Speech, he has said what he
> think he should say, take it or leave it. Perhaps your disparagement
> here is unnecessary. Since you are not a believer it shouldn’t
have
> bothered you in the first place.
> > Â
> > It bothered you or the scorn derived from, very likely, something
> else. Wish you only good.
> > Â
> > Haque
> >
> > --- On Tue, 24/2/09, Cyrus thoughtocrat@ wrote:
> >
> > From: Cyrus thoughtocrat@
> > Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Arabian scholar Warns: Alcohol in Bio-
> fuels is sinful
> > To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 11:05 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Next time one of these morons is sick, and goes to the hospital
> for treatment, I want him to refuse anything alcohol based for
> anesthesia or sterilization. I want the doctors to operate on him
> without any narcotic or painkillers to reduce pain, as they are
> also "haram" in Quran because they can impair your judgment. Only
> then he would understand that their meaningless propaganda of the
> last millennium is irrelevant. Funny thing is, no one mentions that
> Hazrat Omar was actually an alcoholic (as well as a megalomaniac) ,
> and that the Semitic tribes during Prophet Mohammed's time traded
> wine, as well as served them at family gatherings and parties. Oh, I
> am sorry....you didn't know that Prophet Mohammed was also
> a "Semite"? And you thought that only the Jews are the Semites?
> > Â
> > Religion is the enemy of science. And if I have to choose
between
> faith, religion, and the teachings of some puritanical mollahs and
> science, I pick science.
> > C
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: K. Raisuddin Kraisuddin@hotmail. com>
> > To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:55:58 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Arabian scholar Warns: Alcohol in Bio-
> fuels is sinful
> >
> >
> >
> > It would have been more appropriate if the citing was about the
> destruction of human food to produce biofuels in order to feed the
> vehicles. Where as the world is facing the acute shortage of human
> foods in many parts of the world, the obligation of the rich
> countries would have been to preserve more and more human foods, and
> even if they sell instead of donating, millions of human lives would
> have been saved. Cellulose biofuel production is alright because in
> that process human foods are not used; but producing biofuel using
> human food is extremely unethical.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: rkhundkar@earthlink .net
> > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:31:55 -0500
> > Subject: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Arabian scholar Warns: Alcohol in Bio-
> fuels is sinful
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Saudi Muslim cleric warns that biofuels could be sinful
> > By Eoin O'Carroll | 02.20.09
> > http://features. csmonitor. com/environment/ 2009/02/20/ saudi-
> muslim- cleric-warns- that-biofuels- could-be- sinful/
> > A prominent Muslim scholar in Saudi Arabia has warned that those
> using alcohol-based biofuels in their cars could be committing a sin.
> > The warning was issued by Sheikh Mohamed Al-Najimi, a member of the
> Islamic Fiqh Academy, an institute that studies Islamic jurisprudence
> for the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, an international
> group with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. According to
> the Al Arabiya News Channel, an international news outlet is based in
> Dubai, United Arab Emirates, Mr. Najim directed his warning to Saudi
> youths studying abroad.
> > Al Arabiya notes that Najimi stressed that this warning was not an
> official fatwa, or religious edict, just his personal opinion. Najimi
> added that the issue “needs to be studied by the relevant
religious
> bodies.â€
> > Ethanol, a common type of biofuel, is made of the same type of
> alcohol found in alcoholic beverages, and its production is similar
> to that of hard liquor. Plant matter is fermented using yeast, and
> the result is distilled to increase the concentration of alcohol.
> > Fuels with high concentrations of ethanol â€" the most common
being
> E85, a gasoline blend with 85 percent ethanol â€" can be used in
flex-
> fuel vehicles, which make up more than seven million of the roughly
> 250 million passenger cars and trucks on America’s roads. Most
> gasoline sold in the United States contains about 10 percent ethanol.
> The fuel is more common in many Latin American countries,
> particularly Brazil.
> > In addition to beverages and biofuels, ethanol is a widely used in
> industry for its properties as a solvent and an antiseptic.
It’s a
> common component of perfumes and paints. The chemical is also
> necessary in the production of vinegar â€" one of the Prophet
> Muhammad’s favorite seasonings.
> > The Koran prohibits consumption of alcohol in three separate verses
> that were written over a period of several years. The first mention
> occurs in 4:43, in which Muslims are told that they must not pray
> while intoxicated. A verse written later â€" 2:219 â€" says
that in
> wine and gambling “is great sin, and some profit, for men; but
the
> sin is greater than the profit.†Finally, in 5:90-91,
intoxicants
> and gambling are called “an abomination†and
“Satan’s
> handiworkâ€:
> >
> > Satan’s plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between
you,
> with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of
> Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?
> > This admonition is waived in the hereafter, apparently: Many
> passages in the Islamic holy book describe heaven as having rivers of
> wine.
> > Ironically, it was Muslim chemists who introduced distillation to
> the West. The process of distilling pure ethanol from wine was
> perfected by 8th- and 9th-century Persian chemists, who used it to
> create perfumes and eyeliner. Their writings were translated by
> European scholars in the 12th century, and the process was used to
> make potable spirits. The word “alcohol†is itself of
Arabic
> origin.
> >
> >
> >
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