Mr. Turkman:
Your comments to this forum is irrelevant. You have been less than a professional in your attitude and behavior when critiquing other alochock’s postings in this forum. Time and time again you have called everyone but yourself a liar. I just wonder what makes you so special that you keep pounding everybody with your gung-ho attitude and obnoxious comments. You have turned yourself into an equal opportunity offender. Let’s talk about reducing poverty and increasing opportunity for common Bangladeshi’s.
The personal opinion (not a religious edict!) of a relatively unknown scholar in Saudi Arabia has no bearing on the common citizens in Bangladesh. They couldn’t care less.
Now, you want to close all Saudi supported schools and programs in Bangladesh. This is an indication how shallow you are. My friend, do not throw stone at others when you live in a glass house. You have not still identified yourself, with your true name even after repeated calls from the forum participants. Do you want us to trust you? Then positively identify yourself. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that you are a foreign agent paid by CIA, Mossad or RAW.
Bangladesh is an open democratic Muslim society and it will remain so no matter what Saudi’s say or do. I agree with Cyrus that the posting on ethanol was unnecessary if not totally irrelevant for this forum. Again, Saudi have nothing to do with our social and political ills. We have enough of our homegrown so called political leaders that have caused havoc on society.
You should know that no money comes without strings. If you feel Saudi money is bad think about interest bearing IMF/World Bank money. Just think what World Bank and IMF has done to the finances of the third world countries all over the world. No country wants their interest bearing funds with so many strings and so much bureaucratic control. And that’s the reason that China is funding most of the project in Africa and other third world countries in Africa.
Thanks,
Nurul Hossain
U.S.A.
From: alochona@yahoogroups.com [mailto:alochona@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of turkman@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:42 AM
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Arabian scholar Warns: Alcohol in Bio-fuels is sinful
No its not un-necessary to post, how stupid are Wahabi Mollaas
because they are spending tons of money to convert Moslims to their
kind of Islam. We must learn everything about them so, we can ban
Saudi Funding of Religious Schools in our country.
--- In alochona@yahoogroups.com, Cyrus <thoughtocrat@...> wrote:
>
> Mr. Haque, thanks for your posting. Do you mind telling me what
makes you think that I am not a "believer"? I am assuming that
by "believer", you are referring to being a Muslim. I could be wrong
and you probably meant something else.
>
> You are correct in saying that this is just an opinion. But in a
land of anarchy where the only opinions that matter are the opinions
of the monarchy and the religious council, any "opinion" is a
dictation to many people in the world, especially to those who look
to Saudi Arabia for guidance and direction.
>
> Frankly, I think the whole posting is unnecessary. We are not
Saudis and what the Saudi scholars say has no relevance to our
problems.
>
> Cyrus
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mohd. Haque <haquetm83@...>
> To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:00:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Arabian scholar Warns: Alcohol in Bio-
fuels is sinful
>
>
>
>
> Being a Muslim I have taken what the so called Saudi scholar said
as an opinion, I wouldn't take it as fatwa (Islamic ruling) though as
mentioned he is from the fiqh academy. Even if he had claimed it as
fatwa, yet it wouldn't bother me much. When it is a human judgment it
should have its limitation and you weigh his opinion according to
your own understanding on the matter.
> The Holy Quran prescribe Freedom of Speech, he has said what he
think he should say, take it or leave it. Perhaps your disparagement
here is unnecessary. Since you are not a believer it shouldn't have
bothered you in the first place.
>
> It bothered you or the scorn derived from, very likely, something
else. Wish you only good.
>
> Haque
>
> --- On Tue, 24/2/09, Cyrus <thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Cyrus <thoughtocrat@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Arabian scholar Warns: Alcohol in Bio-
fuels is sinful
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Date: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 11:05 AM
>
>
> Next time one of these morons is sick, and goes to the hospital for
treatment, I want him to refuse anything alcohol based for anesthesia
or sterilization. I want the doctors to operate on him without any
narcotic or painkillers to reduce pain, as they are also "haram" in
Quran because they can impair your judgment. Only then he would
understand that their meaningless propaganda of the last millennium
is irrelevant. Funny thing is, no one mentions that Hazrat Omar was
actually an alcoholic (as well as a megalomaniac) , and that the
Semitic tribes during Prophet Mohammed's time traded wine, as well as
served them at family gatherings and parties. Oh, I am sorry....you
didn't know that Prophet Mohammed was also a "Semite"? And you
thought that only the Jews are the Semites?
>
> Religion is the enemy of science. And if I have to choose between
faith, religion, and the teachings of some puritanical mollahs and
science, I pick science.
> C
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: K. Raisuddin <Kraisuddin@hotmail. com>
> To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:55:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Arabian scholar Warns: Alcohol in Bio-
fuels is sinful
>
>
> It would have been more appropriate if the citing was about the
destruction of human food to produce biofuels in order to feed the
vehicles. Where as the world is facing the acute shortage of human
foods in many parts of the world, the obligation of the rich
countries would have been to preserve more and more human foods, and
even if they sell instead of donating, millions of human lives would
have been saved. Cellulose biofuel production is alright because in
that process human foods are not used; but producing biofuel using
human food is extremely unethical.
>
> ________________________________
> From: rkhundkar@earthlink .net
> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:31:55 -0500
> Subject: [ALOCHONA] Saudi Arabian scholar Warns: Alcohol in Bio-
fuels is sinful
>
>
>
>
> Saudi Muslim cleric warns that biofuels could be sinful
> By Eoin O'Carroll | 02.20.09
> http://features. csmonitor. com/environment/ 2009/02/20/ saudi-
muslim- cleric-warns- that-biofuels- could-be- sinful/A prominent
Muslim scholar in Saudi Arabia has warned that those using alcohol-
based biofuels in their cars could be committing a sin.
> The warning was issued by Sheikh Mohamed Al-Najimi, a member of the
Islamic Fiqh Academy, an institute that studies Islamic jurisprudence
for the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, an international
group with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. According to
the Al Arabiya News Channel, an international news outlet is based in
Dubai, United Arab Emirates, Mr. Najim directed his warning to Saudi
youths studying abroad.
> Al Arabiya notes that Najimi stressed that this warning was not an
official fatwa, or religious edict, just his personal opinion. Najimi
added that the issue "needs to be studied by the relevant religious
bodies."
> Ethanol, a common type of biofuel, is made of the same type of
alcohol found in alcoholic beverages, and its production is similar
to that of hard liquor. Plant matter is fermented using yeast, and
the result is distilled to increase the concentration of alcohol.
> Fuels with high concentrations of ethanol – the most common being
E85, a gasoline blend with 85 percent ethanol – can be used in flex-
fuel vehicles, which make up more than seven million of the roughly
250 million passenger cars and trucks on America's roads. Most
gasoline sold in the United States contains about 10 percent ethanol.
The fuel is more common in many Latin American countries,
particularly Brazil.
> In addition to beverages and biofuels, ethanol is a widely used in
industry for its properties as a solvent and an antiseptic. It's a
common component of perfumes and paints. The chemical is also
necessary in the production of vinegar – one of the Prophet
Muhammad's favorite seasonings.
> The Koran prohibits consumption of alcohol in three separate verses
that were written over a period of several years. The first mention
occurs in 4:43, in which Muslims are told that they must not pray
while intoxicated. A verse written later – 2:219 – says that in wine
and gambling "is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is
greater than the profit." Finally, in 5:90-91, intoxicants and
gambling are called "an abomination" and "Satan's handiwork":
>
> Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with
intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of
Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?
> This admonition is waived in the hereafter, apparently: Many
passages in the Islamic holy book describe heaven as having rivers of
wine.
> Ironically, it was Muslim chemists who introduced distillation to
the West. The process of distilling pure ethanol from wine was
perfected by 8th- and 9th-century Persian chemists, who used it to
create perfumes and eyeliner. Their writings were translated by
European scholars in the 12th century, and the process was used to
make potable spirits. The word "alcohol" is itself of Arabic origin.
>
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