Thanks for your nice and polite response.
I don't think any one can support this violence and the killings. I also hope that the amnesty does not protect the killers, but protect the general BDR personnel who did not take any active role. I think offering general amnesty was needed to bring the situation under control quickly, that does not necessarily mean killers need to be protected under the amnesty. Whether there is a larger conspiracy or not, all the culprits should be brought to justice.
On the other hand there needs to be a resolution to some of the grievances that has been brought up (again, that can't justify the violence and any killing).
- mashuque
From: "zsyed01@aol.com" <zsyed01@aol.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 5:39:32 AM
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] BDR grievances beget violence
Mr. Hasan:
Why is it when people don't agree with an argument they resort to using expletives? Disproportionate violence? That's what you called it correct? I agree completely. Nothing does justify violence, bloodshed, murder, assassinations, killings, whatever you wish to call it. Ethically, morally, legally, religiously, and socially murder is wrong. I completely agree.
But, you seem to have missed the point where I said that what has happened is a reflection of a continued hierarchy that exists in Bangaldeshi society today. This hierarchy seemed to have caused a type of feeling that has led to this type of violence. I am not justifying the violence but it is a fact that it has happened and there is always a reason behind it. There was a motive behind it. People are saying that this mutiny was pre-meditated. All pre-meditated actions have a motive behind it. Unfortunately, that motive was to shed light on what they believed was unfair treatment and the existence of corruption in BDR that led to their unfair treatment in terms of low pays and benefits.
It is completely reasonable to be shocked by the atrocity, to feel bad for the departed souls and their families. It was inhuman. I also don't understand that amnesty was granted to the "murderers". But, I do have a question for everyone. While I agree that those who pulled the trigger should be brought to justice and tried for their crim es, but what happens to those who didn't pull the trigger but were still there? Aren't the accessories to murder? Should amnesty be granted to them? Or should every single BDR mutineer regardless of what they have done be tried?
Also, this was BDRs response to what they perceived as unequal or unfair treatment. What will happen when the same feelings of discontent show up in other military forces? In RAB? The police? The masses? Can you imagine how disproportionate the violence will be at that point? Shouldn't we take measures to fix these issues before it happens? We don't need a guillotine do we?
I am saying the BDR violence made us question certain facts and systems that exist in our country today. Those facts should not be ignored. By facing those facts and trying to fix them would atleast give some meaning to the lives that were lost, wouldn't it?
Zeenat Syed
Why is it when people don't agree with an argument they resort to using expletives? Disproportionate violence? That's what you called it correct? I agree completely. Nothing does justify violence, bloodshed, murder, assassinations, killings, whatever you wish to call it. Ethically, morally, legally, religiously, and socially murder is wrong. I completely agree.
But, you seem to have missed the point where I said that what has happened is a reflection of a continued hierarchy that exists in Bangaldeshi society today. This hierarchy seemed to have caused a type of feeling that has led to this type of violence. I am not justifying the violence but it is a fact that it has happened and there is always a reason behind it. There was a motive behind it. People are saying that this mutiny was pre-meditated. All pre-meditated actions have a motive behind it. Unfortunately, that motive was to shed light on what they believed was unfair treatment and the existence of corruption in BDR that led to their unfair treatment in terms of low pays and benefits.
It is completely reasonable to be shocked by the atrocity, to feel bad for the departed souls and their families. It was inhuman. I also don't understand that amnesty was granted to the "murderers". But, I do have a question for everyone. While I agree that those who pulled the trigger should be brought to justice and tried for their crim es, but what happens to those who didn't pull the trigger but were still there? Aren't the accessories to murder? Should amnesty be granted to them? Or should every single BDR mutineer regardless of what they have done be tried?
Also, this was BDRs response to what they perceived as unequal or unfair treatment. What will happen when the same feelings of discontent show up in other military forces? In RAB? The police? The masses? Can you imagine how disproportionate the violence will be at that point? Shouldn't we take measures to fix these issues before it happens? We don't need a guillotine do we?
I am saying the BDR violence made us question certain facts and systems that exist in our country today. Those facts should not be ignored. By facing those facts and trying to fix them would atleast give some meaning to the lives that were lost, wouldn't it?
Zeenat Syed
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From: Choudhury Hasan <worldbznews@ yahoo.com>
To: alochona@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 1:48 pm
Subject: Re: [ALOCHONA] BDR grievances beget violence
Stupid argument!! What BDR's did is shear injustice and out of proportion. Killing the daughter, wife of Major General Shakil does not constitute anger against injustice, its Murder. These people also killed their own soldiers who did not support them. The government should not grant amnesty to this people rather hang them according to the law. Killing innocent bystanders are another also murder. Letting them off the hook will give other people the means to commit the same violence. Everytime new government comes in they try to revolt. Last time they did it during the BNP rule, the BNP government ractified their greivances. So why is this time? I wonder if this is like the educational institution violence, where the rival political party supporter fight to gain their stronghold.The violence resemblances the likeliness of AL lead violence all over the country. Last time BNP changed the leaders and put their like minded people in BDR, may be this time we will see its AL minded people in the helm of BDR. I wonder why the sudden rush of Amnesty to these criminals? The same mistake Mujib did while pardoning the rajakars of Bangladesh. The grievances of BDR makes no sense, they are suppose to follow the chain of command and they utterly disregarded that in the disguise of their demand. Couple of months back USA send a fact finding mission to augment and train this so called BDR's, and there was plan in place to raise their salary and other benefits according to that schedule. So why this violence now? I wonder if RAW was involved in it to tarnish the image of Army. Operation Dal_bhat was the most successful venture and complaining about it only tells about the ignorance of BDR's people. BDR should be disbanded and new people should be hired in their place. There also should be a through investigation of AL's involvement (since in happended right after Hasina's meeting and two weeks after Indian Foreign Ministers visit) and other forces involvement as well....http: //www.thedailyst ar.net/newDesign /news-details. php?nid=77653 Thank you and may allah bless those innocent souls. --- On Thu, 2/26/09, zsyed01@aol. com <zsyed01@aol. com> wrote: From: zsyed01@aol. com <zsyed01@aol. com> |
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